I cannot say that I do. Generally the video we say was missing relevant context. I always assumed that when the officer's action was examined against the law that their actions were deemed just.
There were two main reasons:
1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to 2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained
Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.
Let me know when the light bulb comes on:
So the Rodney King case was as I suspected. The jury saw what we couldn't, and the officer's actions were examined against the law, policy and training.
I think my bulb has a faulty ballast.
I guess you still haven’t watched let it fall?? Put your biker shorts on, put the crash helmet on, put a smedium moisture wicking shirt on, bottle of protein and watch let it fall. Once you do it will all come together for you..
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Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?
Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.
Yep, the ditty bastard was still likely to jump up and run away, even after they had compressed the Oxygen out of his lungs to the point that his body had ceased any attempt to breath, nor his heart to beat.
Would I be responsible for the death of your dog, if all I did was stand on his chest for nine minutes and he became unresponsive? How about if it was an evil BLACK dog? Even a very large and scary BLACK dog?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
What is abundantly clear is that few people in this country have ever had to go hands on w/ a large strong person determined not to submit. Most just call the cops.
mike r
Hey Mike,
an honest question.
Where you worked (civilian) would you have been allowed, in recent years, to restrain the suspects legs once handcuffed and still resisting or making actions one could assumed meant he was attempting to escape.
Zip tie restraints, rope, shackles if available, duct tape, whatever you could use without causing injury to the suspect.
Once a suspect is on the ground, held by a couple or three officer, could a 4th officer go get something to restrain the suspect's legs and therefor pretty much put a stop to any attempt to flee custody?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?
Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.
Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?
More emotional reasoning from you.
Do the autopsy results mean anything?
The autopsy which said cause of death was restriction of chest an abdomen which prevented ventilation?
Or did you not read that part? Some things were obvious from the first video which showed three officers with their weight upon Floyd's person.
Floyd was no Saint.He needed arrested. He did not need to be killed on the street. It would have been obvious to anyone with an IQ above 50 that Floyd"s chest had quit moving. It obviously was obvious to the Junior Officer when he started looking for a pulse.. It was apparently obvious to the bystander who tried to give aid, but was threatened with pepper spray. I am sure it was obvious to the senior officer with his weight upon Floyd's neck and shoulders. Either he simply did not care that Floyd had died under his knees, or it was the actual outcome he desired.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Yep, the ditty bastard was still likely to jump up and run away, even after they had compressed the Oxygen out of his lungs to the point that his body had ceased any attempt to breath, nor his heart to beat.
Would I be responsible for the death of your dog, if all I did was stand on his chest for nine minutes and he became unresponsive? How about if it was an evil BLACK dog? Even a very large and scary BLACK dog?
You sound just like the idiots in Seattle right now.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
What is abundantly clear is that few people in this country have ever had to go hands on w/ a large strong person determined not to submit. Most just call the cops.
mike r
Hey Mike,
an honest question.
Where you worked (civilian) would you have been allowed, in recent years, to restrain the suspects legs once handcuffed and still resisting or making actions one could assumed meant he was attempting to escape.
Zip tie restraints, rope, shackles if available, duct tape, whatever you could use without causing injury to the suspect.
Once a suspect is on the ground, held by a couple or three officer, could a 4th officer go get something to restrain the suspect's legs and therefor pretty much put a stop to any attempt to flee custody?
No offense, but this is a stupid question and I don't understand why it keeps being asked.
Restraints are not needed when you have the manpower to hold a person down. In this case it is pretty clear that the ambulance is on its way from the time that original video begins. The fourth cop is doing what he's supposed to do and that's keeping the dumb fugks at bay while the others hold down Gentle George.
Even if the restraints were available they don't resolve the issue that they were most likely having with their suspect. I'm sure they had a rough ETA and knew there would be a gurney and straps available if his lack of compliance continued.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
What is abundantly clear is that few people in this country have ever had to go hands on w/ a large strong person determined not to submit. Most just call the cops.
mike r
Hey Mike,
an honest question.
Where you worked (civilian) would you have been allowed, in recent years, to restrain the suspects legs once handcuffed and still resisting or making actions one could assumed meant he was attempting to escape.
Zip tie restraints, rope, shackles if available, duct tape, whatever you could use without causing injury to the suspect.
Once a suspect is on the ground, held by a couple or three officer, could a 4th officer go get something to restrain the suspect's legs and therefor pretty much put a stop to any attempt to flee custody?
No offense, but this is a stupid question and I don't understand why it keeps being asked.
Restraints are not needed when you have the manpower to hold a person down. In this case it is pretty clear that the ambulance is on its way from the time that original video begins. The fourth cop is doing what he's supposed to do and that's keeping the dumb fugks at bay while the others hold down Gentle George.
Even if the restraints were available they don't resolve the issue that they were most likely having with their suspect. I'm sure they had a rough ETA and knew there would be a gurney and straps available if his lack of compliance continued.
Only time restraints are recommended, is when one is abducting prostitutes..
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
If no zip ties, not a single one of them had some paracord bracelet or other tacticool doo dad with them? Or even a piece of rope in the car. Tow strap? Jacket?
Easy to Monday morning quarterback. You weren't there, exhausted from a long physical struggle with a huge, powerful, arrest resisting suspect with a known, long, violent, rap sheet, just hoping you can keep the guy restrained long enough for help to arrive.
PS Zip ties, if one knows the technique, can be broken when placed on the wrist. The ones designed for the wrist, joined together for sufficient length for ankles, would likely be nearly useless on the ankles of a guy this size and strength, hopped up on drugs.
Yep, maybe, if restrained in handcuffs, and his ankles zip tied he could have found a way to use this technique to defeat them? So simple a child can do it. Of course, there's no po-po there watching to make sure she doesn't:
Lots of techniques I've found for defeating the ones on wrists, pull the end to tighten them as much as possible, etc etc. But I haven't found one showing how to defeat ones on the ankles. If you find on, please post it, I'd like to learn it myself.
And yes Monday morning stuff..................by everyone here and across the Nation.
Some of the Monday Morning QBs seem to be of the opinion, "Why not just shoot the Large Black Man, hopped up on drugs, with a criminal background"
Others of us think there just may have been a slightly better way to deal with the situation, especially after he was on the ground, struggling less, and a couple of the officers had gotten off him and appeared to have been "standing by".........................Instead of standing there, go get some friggen leg restraints or a substitute.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I cannot say that I do. Generally the video we say was missing relevant context. I always assumed that when the officer's action was examined against the law that their actions were deemed just.
There were two main reasons:
1.) The jury saw video that the rest of the United States wasn't allowed to 2.) The defense demonstrated that the officers used the PR-24 as they were trained
Now with that in mind, please watch this short video from last Tuesday.
Let me know when the light bulb comes on:
That is an excellent example of minimal force necessary to take a suspect into custody. If he had died in the rollover? So be it! He should have stopped the car.
What we did not see in this video was two large men placing their weight upon the perp's chest and abdomen until they suffocated the life from him.
As a rule, I have no problem with Cops. They are doing a mostly thankless and sometime dangerous job for, in many cases very low pay. They gotta do what they gotta do in the vast majority of cases.
But Floyd's death was not the vast majority. The Senior officer's actions in this case demonstrated pathological indifference, AND extreme negligence at the very best, or perhaps purposeful murder at the worst.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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