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The linked article says that China is buying beans from South America.
Who did South America sell their soybeans too before China started buying them? It seems to me that that market would still be available to someone. South America rotates their crops like we do. Not necessarily true in the Mata Gossa area of Brazil.
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Thought I read a year or two ago where South America has increased soybean production by a fair amount.
Isn't that why they are/were burning and clearing a bunch of forest land?
There is an increased supply if I'm not mistaken. Belize and Brazil have always been big producers, getting bigger annually. Their yields typically don’t match ours particularly in the Mississippi Delta regions east and west of the river. Populations have also increased, Sam.
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The linked article says that China is buying beans from South America.
Who did South America sell their soybeans too before China started buying them? It seems to me that that market would still be available to someone. South America rotates their crops like we do. Not necessarily true in the Mata Gossa area of Brazil. South America is rather large.
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Populations have also increased, Sam.
But at the same time I think it's fair to say that production has out-paced demand. We are selling wheat for about the same price as my grandpa and father got 40 years ago. Beef production is also much more 'efficient' than it was 20 years ago. You might have similar acreage in crop or similar numbers of cattle but the yield has greatly increased. Producing ourselves right out of a job....grin
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Why isn’t this agricultural Socialism if the Government bails them out? It is. Agriculture in the U.S. is basically a ward of the state.
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Populations have also increased, Sam.
But at the same time I think it's fair to say that production has out-paced demand. We are selling wheat for about the same price as my grandpa and father got 40 years ago. Beef production is also much more 'efficient' than it was 20 years ago. You might have similar acreage in crop or similar numbers of cattle but the yield has greatly increased. Producing ourselves right out of a job....grin Yessir. That sure enough does happen. In our part of the world for livestock, the restoration of natural grasslands is gaining in popularity and in reality.
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They spray pig chit on fields around here, maybe early on. Last week or so I aint smelled any driving through the country.
Corn really taking off
Beans all around my deer spot. Gonna be a chitty bow season
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Some bean fields just visible. Others popped through a while back. Dunno why some fields so late. Corn was all in at same time
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Not to worry, we're still making more consumers. "We are selling wheat for about the same price as my grandpa " And how did grandpa get to town? = just teasing
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Some bean fields just visible. Others popped through a while back. Dunno why some fields so late. Corn was all in at same time
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The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year. Beans are good for the soil. How sure are you about that? They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen.
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Some bean fields just visible. Others popped through a while back. Dunno why some fields so late. Corn was all in at same time Beans in our area are approximately knee high. Planting three rows per 36” wide single row
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The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year. Beans are good for the soil. How sure are you about that? They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen. They tend to lessen the need for more nitrogen when double cropping beans followed by winter wheat. I doubt you do little double cropping up in Pa. But I could be wrong.
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You are getting to good at your job Sam.
Same with Cotton.
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Plains, trust me, I'm not much of a farmer but all the big guys around here try to max it out every year.
And why not.
But money aside, I'd personally be fine with seeding our small amount of wheat acres back into grass.
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The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year. Beans are good for the soil. How sure are you about that? They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen. They tend to lessen the need for more nitrogen when double cropping beans followed by winter wheat. I doubt you do little double cropping up in Pa. But I could be wrong. There's a fair amount of double crop beans planted after wheat and barley harvest in the southeastern part of the state. Say south and east of State College. But the beans come off late enough in the fall that it's often hard to get seeded back to wheat in time. So they wait until the following spring and plant corn. The N from the beans is still there for the corn. The big problem is that soybean residue breaks down easily and doesn't provide any residue cover over winter. Soil erosion can be pretty bad in bean stubble. Dale
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Plains, trust me, I'm not much of a farmer but all the big guys around here try to max it out every year.
And why not.
But money aside, I'd personally be fine with seeding our small amount of wheat acres back into grass. We are going to put a 1000 into grass the next few years. Might not make big money with cattle....but you lose money at a slower rate than with wheat.
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We are going to put a 1000 into grass the next few years.
Might not make big money with cattle....but you lose money at a slower rate than with wheat. Cuzzin', you know as soon as we do it there will be $10 wheat... But yeah, nice section or two of grass flowin' in the breeze with little or no yearly input costs..... I'm not obsessed with money so whatever, break even on cows and hope the wife doesn't lose her job.........grin #no bills, no worry
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China has NEVER been known to go back on their word, or manipulate the markets. Have they? ... <sarcasm> <eye roll> They started in earnest back in the 1990s. Some would even call them Ruthless Capitalist. Ruthless for sure and capitalists because they make being ruthless a science. It's their way of manipulating the markets. Old Toot has already talked about manipulating the markets (selling short and cashing in so they can buy more beans with someone else's money). kwg
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