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Tell us about your experience with these.
What model, caliber, accuracy, reliability, and ergonomics?
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H&K fan for past 20+ years. Built like tanks, especially the older USP series. I had one leg of the hammer spring break during annual qualifying one year (a WELL used department pistol with probably 10,000+ rounds thru it). Gun kept firing, only the trigger feel went "weird". Department armorer fixed it in 5 minutes.
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65BR: Nope. I checked my on-line and hard copy inventories and I currently own pistols and revolvers made by 8 (eight) different makers and the three you specify are not on my lists.
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H&K USP9 and looking for a USP45.
US9 is extremely accurate, reliable and a pleasure to shoot. Next p30sk I come across will be mine. If I could find a P7 in decent condition for $1200 I'd buy that too.
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Just got a fn 509 tactical so I don’t have much experience with it yet
Put 250 through it in 4 days. Haven’t had time yet to proper break it in and put through paces. About half of that suppressed. Not a single malfunction yet with 115,127,147, or 150 grain ammo.
I like the feel of it and the optic system way better than my Glock 19 mos. the controls are very natural to me. My mag changes with it have been surprisingly fast for a gun I just got. From the bench it outshoots my Glock group wise, but that’s not very important in a self defense handgun in my opinion
But the Glock is tried and true. So the fn will need to prove itself over the next few weeks to get to ride outside the house.
So far I’m very happy with it. Time will tell
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Varmint Guy, some Glocks are made in the USA to my understanding, as are FN. Interesting, HK has frames stamped Ft. Smith, AR like Walther, though says made in Germany, so I am not sure if they are assembled here for taxes, or AR just a point of distribution?
Cotis and others, good info. Jack Mtn. - if you are looking, check out the LEM trigger.....if you have not. It might be the better option in the P30SK.
Btw, VG - I don't discriminate, good firearms are good no matter the stamp.
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I have the HK 45 USP very strong and very accurate can shoot 45 Super without modification. If feeding is a pr ok lem just change the magazine spring
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HK USP Compact, .40 S&W, V1 trigger, extremely accurate, never a problem, fits my hand very well and the controls are perfect for my fingers. My only complaint is that it's not so 'compact' these days compared to current compacts/subcompacts (I bought mine in 2011).
I used it for my range qualification for my concealed weapons permit. Target was a B-27, 50 rounds from 3 yards to 15 yards - I shot a perfect score (250) and I'll admit that the HK made me look good, it's a helluva pistol. I let my course instructor shoot it afterwards and he was amazed at it's accuracy, and his pistol was a Wilson Combat 1911.
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I just played around with a new FN 503. It had the worst feeling grip either. Think of a first gen Walther PPS with an even longer F-R length and just as skinny from side to side.
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Good stuff - seems most users like their HKs, but also the others. JWP, what brass is used in the Super? How is it vs a 10mm in trajectory?
UPh - yes, handled one recently, it was 'Funky' feeling......ashame.
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I used to have an FN-made Browning High power. I've also owned a Walther PPQ. I currently own (and for about twenty years) an H&K USP-45. All excellent guns. Never had a problem with anything from any of those companies.
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Just got a fn 509 tactical so I don’t have much experience with it yet
Put 250 through it in 4 days. Haven’t had time yet to proper break it in and put through paces. About half of that suppressed. Not a single malfunction yet with 115,127,147, or 150 grain ammo.
I like the feel of it and the optic system way better than my Glock 19 mos. the controls are very natural to me. My mag changes with it have been surprisingly fast for a gun I just got. From the bench it outshoots my Glock group wise, but that’s not very important in a self defense handgun in my opinion
But the Glock is tried and true. So the fn will need to prove itself over the next few weeks to get to ride outside the house.
So far I’m very happy with it. Time will tell I like the 509, and came close to buying one once. They seem like extremely well made and designed handguns.
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I have a FNP 9 mm with at least 5000 rounds fired. Reasonably accurate, and totally reliable. Good ammo, sloppy reloads, everything runs, always. No failures for any reason !!!!
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FN FNX 45 is one sweet “fighting” pistol , very pleasing with dot and can
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How it’s sitting right now! Burris FF3. Needs a RMR but gotta recoup gun funds So far I’m pretty happy and impressed. With 150 subs it’s surprisingly sneaky. Add the wipe and it’s even sneakier Top picture shows can at smallest configuration and 17 round mag Bottoms is full on 24 rounds and can long Dead air ghost m
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Good stuff - seems most users like their HKs, but also the others. JWP, what brass is used in the Super? How is it vs a 10mm in trajectory?
UPh - yes, handled one recently, it was 'Funky' feeling......ashame.
Looked to be promising.......Ergos Matter! In my experience the 10mm 180 XTP @1300+ FPS will penetrate about to the same as the 230 XTP @1100 FPS+ but the wound Channel is larger with the 45 Super. +P brass works very well for 45 Super loads or Star Line makes 45 Super head stamped brass The 45 Super is loaded to about 27,500 to 28,500 PSI The 10mm with top end loads is about 10,000 PSI higher
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I have run a USP 45 since 1996 and still consider it my main pistol. I have tremendous confidence in it, shoot it well, and cant remember a cycling issue ever. Its not pretty but a workhorse I trust .
I bought a HK45 Compact and had it worked over by Robar a few years ago and like it as a compliment to the USP. I cant shoot it quite as accurately as the USP but I trust it too. It is a better carry gun no doubt.
My next .45 will be a USP Tactical with threaded barrel. I am also considering a USP Compact 9mm too, as I just like them.
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Nice feedback and pics above.
Handled the 509, an improvement I thought over the prior FNS compact line. Maybe it’s just a grip texture change but could be more.
What do you guys think of the Tall sights on guns made for reflex sights, if you’re not running one? They seem a bit much to me, I’m sure they serve their purpose, if not running straight irons.
JWP thanks for the tech info.
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With a suppressor on I can easily shoot without suppressor height sights. They just make it easier, and me a little more precise at speed. If taking my time no difference
With a red dot you could honestly omit iron sights at all after a little experience. If it’s a target only gun. If for self defense they are 100% necessary, and allow cowitness. If sight breaks, batteries die, or forget to turn one on I can still shoot irons and be consistent.
Burris ff3 is not what I would carry for a defensive pistol red dot. If the FN proves it is reliable it will get a trijicon rmr. It stays on all the time and batteries last 3-4 years. Rugged as heck. I would trust my life on the Burris. It doesn’t have a auto on with movement. Turns off after 8 hours I believe.
I don’t mind suppressor height sights at all. Kinda prefer them now honestly.
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Good info. Wonder how many prefer red dot's, given the short distance most PD situations happen?
The height of the sights makes me wonder about any issues with holstering...
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