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not in any particular order:
the old prussia
croatia
hungary
slovakia.
no blacks
no hispanic
white people
don't like socialism/communism
THE BIRTH PLACE OF GERONIMO
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Yep Ive spent almost 7 years living and working overseas. Its hilarious when Americans romanticize how much better life would be outside the US. How many people here have honestly "lived" outside the US - and I don't mean an extended vacation or a short-term work assignment?
You have 3 choices:
1) Another 1st world country - really, truly first world. And only a few. UK, France, Germany, Japan, Belgium, parts of Spain, Canada, and a few others.
The electricity runs 24/7, you have shops and restaurants open at night and with a good choice, you have safe areas - you have "things" that you take for granted.
But these countries taxation, socially liberal, and socialistic tendencies are worse than what you think you would be running from. And aside from Japan, you have the Muslim to contend with...
2) 2nd world country - South Africa, some Caribbean locations, perhaps Thailand, etc. The electricity goes off - often. In many places you have to drink bottled water. The stores sometimes have and sometimes don't have things you need/want. Simple things - bleach, detergents, washing machines ... don't exactly get you the results you are used to.
3) 3rd world - Caribbean nations, Latin America countries, etc. Argue all you want, but they are 3rd world scheit holes when you get off the Club Med compound. Electricity is a crap shoot. Have heart burn at 11pm? Have fun .... Get a pain in your right side .... pray it isn't appendicitis.
Of course, you can go to an "ex-pat" retiree compound and live the life of luxury. But it isn't.
Not after you settle in. Your "new" house has a problem with electricity burning out bulbs ... live with it. The "public" water pressure goes down during the heavy season ..... get used to bailing pool water with a bucket to replenish your toilet bowl so you can flush your turd down ....
Those nice people in the local town who you think are your friends?? Wait until one day a local throws themselves in front of your car outside a shop, and you slam on your brakes and barely bump them. Then the local police come ..... they don't have courts, police, lawyers, and the system you are used to .... you will reach into your pocket and pull out some green to pay them off, and you will have that on you because you will have witnessed another ex-pat get hauled off to the local jail and kept their 2 days until his wife brought the cash in!
People have no phfuking comprehension what it's like living outside the US, and the value of the freedoms, protections, rights, and services we have.
You go to another country to live, in essence you are there as an invited, tolerated guests that last as long as they wish, and to what extent their tolerance goes ... depending on who you may piss off, who is related to whom, and how much you are willing to bow your head in submission ....
Absolutely correct. I have lived in 11 countries (from multiple months to multiple years) and visited about 70. Over 20 years overseas total. Almost been killed in about 4 of them: 2 from being shot at (as a civilian), and 2 from disease/infections. Not to mention near misses in car accidents, etc. We have it so good in the USA. The stories you hear about Americans kissing the ground once they land back here are true: I'm living proof. Exceptionalism? Absolutely! The USA is UNIQUE in the world - the package deal here is light years ahead of whatever is in second place. That said, if North America was about to vanish in a puff of smoke, and I had forewarning, I would pick Chile or Australia as a next stop.
Carry what you’re willing to fight with - Mackay Sagebrush
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[quote=travelingman1]If not for family and friends, I would be in New Zealand. [/quote
Check their firearms laws first, they have gone like Australia in the last year or so.
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Yep Ive spent almost 7 years living and working overseas. Its hilarious when Americans romanticize how much better life would be outside the US. How many people here have honestly "lived" outside the US - and I don't mean an extended vacation or a short-term work assignment?
You have 3 choices:
1) Another 1st world country - really, truly first world. And only a few. UK, France, Germany, Japan, Belgium, parts of Spain, Canada, and a few others.
The electricity runs 24/7, you have shops and restaurants open at night and with a good choice, you have safe areas - you have "things" that you take for granted.
But these countries taxation, socially liberal, and socialistic tendencies are worse than what you think you would be running from. And aside from Japan, you have the Muslim to contend with...
2) 2nd world country - South Africa, some Caribbean locations, perhaps Thailand, etc. The electricity goes off - often. In many places you have to drink bottled water. The stores sometimes have and sometimes don't have things you need/want. Simple things - bleach, detergents, washing machines ... don't exactly get you the results you are used to.
3) 3rd world - Caribbean nations, Latin America countries, etc. Argue all you want, but they are 3rd world scheit holes when you get off the Club Med compound. Electricity is a crap shoot. Have heart burn at 11pm? Have fun .... Get a pain in your right side .... pray it isn't appendicitis.
Of course, you can go to an "ex-pat" retiree compound and live the life of luxury. But it isn't.
Not after you settle in. Your "new" house has a problem with electricity burning out bulbs ... live with it. The "public" water pressure goes down during the heavy season ..... get used to bailing pool water with a bucket to replenish your toilet bowl so you can flush your turd down ....
Those nice people in the local town who you think are your friends?? Wait until one day a local throws themselves in front of your car outside a shop, and you slam on your brakes and barely bump them. Then the local police come ..... they don't have courts, police, lawyers, and the system you are used to .... you will reach into your pocket and pull out some green to pay them off, and you will have that on you because you will have witnessed another ex-pat get hauled off to the local jail and kept their 2 days until his wife brought the cash in!
People have no phfuking comprehension what it's like living outside the US, and the value of the freedoms, protections, rights, and services we have.
You go to another country to live, in essence you are there as an invited, tolerated guests that last as long as they wish, and to what extent their tolerance goes ... depending on who you may piss off, who is related to whom, and how much you are willing to bow your head in submission ....
Absolutely correct. I have lived in 11 countries (from multiple months to multiple years) and visited about 70. Over 20 years overseas total. Almost been killed in about 4 of them: 2 from being shot at (as a civilian), and 2 from disease/infections. Not to mention near misses in car accidents, etc. We have it so good in the USA. The stories you hear about Americans kissing the ground once they land back here are true: I'm living proof. Exceptionalism? Absolutely! The USA is UNIQUE in the world - the package deal here is light years ahead of whatever is in second place. That said, if North America was about to vanish in a puff of smoke, and I had forewarning, I would pick Chile or Australia as a next stop. That weren't foreign countries. They were Atlanta.
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Anyone here thought about it? Born raised here of course. Never even been to another country and never even considered visiting as there is so much to see here. But...wife and I joked about moving the other day. Yep grass isn't greener on the other side. I get it. Plus with kids family here not feasible. Anyone else considered this and if so where? I've thought about moving to New Mexico.... but not for very long!
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Yep Ive spent almost 7 years living and working overseas. Its hilarious when Americans romanticize how much better life would be outside the US. How many people here have honestly "lived" outside the US - and I don't mean an extended vacation or a short-term work assignment?
You have 3 choices:
1) Another 1st world country - really, truly first world. And only a few. UK, France, Germany, Japan, Belgium, parts of Spain, Canada, and a few others.
The electricity runs 24/7, you have shops and restaurants open at night and with a good choice, you have safe areas - you have "things" that you take for granted.
But these countries taxation, socially liberal, and socialistic tendencies are worse than what you think you would be running from. And aside from Japan, you have the Muslim to contend with...
2) 2nd world country - South Africa, some Caribbean locations, perhaps Thailand, etc. The electricity goes off - often. In many places you have to drink bottled water. The stores sometimes have and sometimes don't have things you need/want. Simple things - bleach, detergents, washing machines ... don't exactly get you the results you are used to.
3) 3rd world - Caribbean nations, Latin America countries, etc. Argue all you want, but they are 3rd world scheit holes when you get off the Club Med compound. Electricity is a crap shoot. Have heart burn at 11pm? Have fun .... Get a pain in your right side .... pray it isn't appendicitis.
Of course, you can go to an "ex-pat" retiree compound and live the life of luxury. But it isn't.
Not after you settle in. Your "new" house has a problem with electricity burning out bulbs ... live with it. The "public" water pressure goes down during the heavy season ..... get used to bailing pool water with a bucket to replenish your toilet bowl so you can flush your turd down ....
Those nice people in the local town who you think are your friends?? Wait until one day a local throws themselves in front of your car outside a shop, and you slam on your brakes and barely bump them. Then the local police come ..... they don't have courts, police, lawyers, and the system you are used to .... you will reach into your pocket and pull out some green to pay them off, and you will have that on you because you will have witnessed another ex-pat get hauled off to the local jail and kept their 2 days until his wife brought the cash in!
People have no phfuking comprehension what it's like living outside the US, and the value of the freedoms, protections, rights, and services we have.
You go to another country to live, in essence you are there as an invited, tolerated guests that last as long as they wish, and to what extent their tolerance goes ... depending on who you may piss off, who is related to whom, and how much you are willing to bow your head in submission ....
Absolutely correct. I have lived in 11 countries (from multiple months to multiple years) and visited about 70. Over 20 years overseas total. Almost been killed in about 4 of them: 2 from being shot at (as a civilian), and 2 from disease/infections. Not to mention near misses in car accidents, etc. We have it so good in the USA. The stories you hear about Americans kissing the ground once they land back here are true: I'm living proof. Exceptionalism? Absolutely! The USA is UNIQUE in the world - the package deal here is light years ahead of whatever is in second place. That said, if North America was about to vanish in a puff of smoke, and I had forewarning, I would pick Chile or Australia as a next stop. That weren't foreign countries. They were Atlanta. Atlanta is part of the USA. You are free to consider it otherwise, but you'd be wrong.
Carry what you’re willing to fight with - Mackay Sagebrush
Perfect is the enemy of good enough
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Atlanta is part of the USA. You are free to consider it otherwise, but you'd be wrong.
Sherman burned the USA part. Now it's just the CNN studio surrounded by a moat and a parade of boos.
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Nope, we're full up of immigrants from demotard states bringing their liberal ideas with them. Who's liberal? I would assume that if I have the money to buy land I can move to Wyoming?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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I am seriously considering retiring abroad when the time comes in about10 years. My dad and his wife moved to Ecuador in late 2011. They live it there. We have visited twice and it is on the list for me. We went to Colombia in February to see it and do some birding. That and Panama or Costa Rica are also possibilities but I am also interested in Croatia and especially Slovenia. I am a winemaker and would ideally like to live in an area that produces high quality wines. I am hearing lots of good things about the wine industry in Croatia and Slovenia.
For me it is partly adventure, partly lower cost of living which would enable for more travel and adventure, partly hoping to find a nicer year round climate and partly I am getting more and more disgusted with the USA.
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if you travel around the world you will see why people from all over come here to live and not visa versa. nice places to visit (some) but wouldn't want to live anywhere else. BTDT. This ^^^^^^^^^ I travel the world for a living, in any given month I’ll usually pass through at least ten different countries. ... In all my years of doing this I’ve never been to one country where I’ve looked around and said “I’d rather live here than where I live”. And this ^^^^^^^^^ I have not traveled as extensively as others. However, have spent enough time, in enough different countries. While I am generally happy to head out, I am ALWAYS happy to head home...
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Anyone here thought about it? Born raised here of course. Never even been to another country and never even considered visiting as there is so much to see here. But...wife and I joked about moving the other day. Yep grass isn't greener on the other side. I get it. Plus with kids family here not feasible. Anyone else considered this and if so where? Not moving permanently, as I lived in Germany for 3 years and enjoy American freedoms, but owning a small place in Italy to spend have the time in is something we've considered in retirement.
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I spent some time in Louisiana but then I returned to the USA.
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Anyone here thought about it? Born raised here of course. Never even been to another country and never even considered visiting as there is so much to see here. But...wife and I joked about moving the other day. Yep grass isn't greener on the other side. I get it. Plus with kids family here not feasible. Anyone else considered this and if so where? I've thought about moving to New Mexico.... but not for very long! As someone who did, I wouldn’t recommend it. Beautiful state. Very Schitty liberal politics. Very soft on crime.
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Dual citizenship should not be recognized IMHO.
Either you are or you ain't. Divided loyalties and all that........
MAGA
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What about Iceland? I hear it is low crime and welcoming. Just about all white folks.Most people there speak English according to the internet. Anybody been there?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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I've never considered it, myself. I've been to 6 continents though and long ago came to the conclusion that rural folk largely are conservative nationalists and city folk largely are liberal globalists.
Rural Spain, rural Argentina and the South Island of New Zealand largely contain folks as conservative as those here on this forum...I could live in those places no doubt. They answer to their liberal politicians from the bigger cities, much like we do but more so (in a general sense). I plan to keep my ass right here in Western America despite how much I like other places. It's the best as far as I am concerned.
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Given New Zealand a thought or two.
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The worst day in the US, is better than the best day in most other countries in the world.
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not in any particular order:
the old prussia
croatia
hungary
slovakia.
no blacks
no hispanic
white people
don't like socialism/communism Old Prussia is not a place anymore. Croatia has some ethnic problems of its own.
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What about Iceland? I hear it is low crime and welcoming. Just about all white folks.Most people there speak English according to the internet. Anybody been there? Supposed to be very expensive and the language is supposed to be extremely difficult to learn. If you don't learn the language you will never really fit in.
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