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I have a 17 FB in the Rem 700 SPS that has a 26'' barrel. What velocity will I be prone to lose by cutting down to 24'' and having it threaded?
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Next to none. Probably you would lose less than the variation between shots. 24" is PLENTY in the Fireball.
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Good to hear that. I was actually thinking I might cut it to 22" and have it threaded.
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Do it. If I was in your shoes, I'd probably go 20".
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I wouldn't mind going 20'' if it doesn't screw up the balance.
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I have the same gun in both heavy and standard contour barrel configurations. The heavy contour is very front end heavy so I thought about cutting mine down just for better balance. If I was cutting and threading mine, I think I would go 21" in the heavy barrel and 22" in the standard to provide better balance. I'd expect to lose 30-50 fps for every inch I cut off. But the .221 Fireball was originally designed as a short barrel pistol cartridge so I wouldn't worry much about the velocity loss.
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Thanks. As I think through this, I am of the opinion that the velocity loss won't be too much a factor as my shots are under 300 yards and most are under 250.
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Thanks. As I think through this, I am of the opinion that the velocity loss won't be too much a factor as my shots are under 300 yards and most are under 250. Completely agree! 👍🏻
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I have 17 FB in 14", 15", and 22" aftermarket Contender barrels, as well as a 24" Remington 700. The shorter handgun barrels give up 250 fps over the 24" with 20 grain bullets, and the 22" actually shoots a hair faster on average than the 24", but it is a Bullberry, with a minimum chamber and a hand-lapped bore. The FB is a very efficient little case. Even less velocity could be lost with 25 grain bullets in shorter barrels, I suspect, but I have a 17 Remington for those.
Lately, I've been testing cast bullets in the FB case, and getting far better performance than I thought possible.
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OSU Sig: My factory stock Remington 700 VSF (Varmint Synthetic Fluted) in 17 Remington Fireball has a 26" barrel - and I prefer it that length. My custom built Remington 700 in caliber 17 MachIV (the 17 Remington Fireball twin) has a heavy Shilen stainless barrel that I requested to be made at 26 1/2" long! My thinking is it's free additional velocity and the extra mass aids in stability of sight alignment while firing afield. I would recommend against shortening that barrel. Long live the wonderful 17 Remington Fireball! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy P.S.: Be sure to try (use!) the wonderful Berger 25 grain bullets in your 17 Remington Fireball - I have had amazing results with this bullet.
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I disagree with the last post but often do when coming from this individual. I have actually chrono’d my fireballs and see no velocity advantage from 22”-26”. If wanting to thread and shoot suppressed I would consider a 20” gun. Good luck. Great cartridge and fun
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Yes, I think 20-22 inches threaded will be good for my purposes. As efficient as the 17FB is, I don't think an additional 4'' is going to buy me much additional velocity. VarmintGuy, I appreciate your input and know you send a lot of rounds down range weekly/monthly/yearly. I'll take a hard look at the Berger bullet. Currently, I use the 25 grain VMAX in my FB.
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shootai: So... you are saying you have added or subtracted "length" to a particular 17 Remington Fireball Rifle and the "velocity" did NOT change with 4" added (or subtracted!) from a particular Rifle? If... that is your contention then pardon me for not believing you. As that is exactly the opposite of my experiences over the last 55+ years of centerfire Rifle shooting/experimenting! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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To some extent I suppose some loads may be more prone to loosing velocity than others beyond 18" of barrel length. If I had a can on a 17 fireball I would consider going as short as 18". If I was not using a can then then 22" to 24" barrel length is what I would be looking at.
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I've decided to cut mine at 21" in case I'm not shooting suppressed.
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I've decided to cut mine at 21" in case I'm not shooting suppressed. 👍🏻👍🏻 let us know how that works out for you in terms of balance and accuracy.
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I would make it a 24 and not thread it.....personally.
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Now you chime in... It was left at the gunsmith Wednesday.
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Good to hear that. I was actually thinking I might cut it to 22" and have it threaded. I would think 22" would be just about optimum in the .17FB.... Should have no trouble burning its powder in 22"
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