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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
It's so easy to operate even a [bleep] can use it...




Not sure if that's real or not, but it's hysterical.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
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Why is that Dan?

Its very interesting to me that you would say that.




Hundreds, maybe thousands of wankers tried to kill me with the AK and failed miserably. Doesn't mean they didn't connect now and again but end of the day they died and I didn't. I don't think they could'a hit a barn from the inside on purpose.

Put another way, they are heavy, generally lack precision and the AR or M-something is a better platform all the way around. And I can tote more loaded mags than an AK user.


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God looking out for us sorta thing.

You gotta admit sky6 was looking out for ya that one day you posted about.

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Dude didnt wanta kill you for some reason and you rotated and greased his dumb azz!!!
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Ak variants have always had something about them that resonates that it isn’t there with an AR to me. Going in to a battle I’d take the AR all day. I think an AKM pattern rifle makes sense in Africa with extremely poorly trained people in both firearm care and battlefield tactics. A dusty environment with fighting being at or near bayonet range often against people unarmed or with about zero tactical knowledge.

For someone with basic firearm skills and fighting in a cleaner more urban environment, with basic maintenance/lubrication knowledge, AR’s are cheaper, slap a 1/2 way decent red dot on an AR and most anyone can quickly learn to make hits at ranges a lot faster with an AR.

You can buy a lower end but decent AR and a case of ammo for the same price or less than a typical AKM. A fully modern kitted out AK-74M with optics is probably on par with an AR but by the time that you get into a rifle like that you’ve got bigger money into it and it probably isn’t a rank novice that owns it. A S&W M&P II or similar with a decent red dot is going to be a lot cheaper and something that you can buy anywhere and buy ammo for anywhere. The AR is easier to hit with and cheaper than an old AKM and at least as easy to hit with and a whole lot cheaper and easier to come by then a fully updated AK-74M

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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
It's so easy to operate even a [bleep] can use it...



Kalashnikov claimed he designed the AK so a fuggin monkey could field strip it.

I’m surprised YouTube hasn’t taken that video down yet.

Dat’s Racist, ya know. 😜


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I like the AR platform better simply for the versatility aspect but for close in point shooting an AK will serve me well.


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I have no use for an A-gay.

But they are a cool piece of history.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
I've got some trigger-time with the AK. I think it is a sensible choice for a defense rifle.

For the average new shooter, I believe the AR-15 is easier to handle and make hits with. Mainly due to better sights, better trigger, and lower recoil.

To me, the strongest part of the article is ammo price/availability. I've added a few AR uppers in 7.62x39 for that reason. Wouldn't mind having an AK though, to go with that ammo.






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I could never understand why someone would prefer an AK over an AR. AR reliability is no big deal. In shooting matches I have fired more than 10,000 rounds through an AR with not one malfunction or failure to fire. Cleaning is a breeze. In over-the-course matches, held at 200, 300, and 600 yards, ARs beat M1As.

You can also get all kinds of aftermarket stuff with an AR, and uppers for many different calibers. And they're cheaper and lighter than AKs.

At a gun show ten years ago I was told that there were 62 manufacturers of AR15s in the United States.


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I have both AR and AK, always keep one that shoots the enemies rounds!

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I figure that if, in the context of civil unrest, the differences between an AK and an AR become relevant, then things will have prob'ly gone so far down tubes that it don't much matter what you're using.


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Any love for the VZ58? Neither fish nor fowl... but a damn fine rifle IMO.


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Originally Posted by haverluk
Any love for the VZ58? Neither fish nor fowl... but a damn fine rifle IMO.

Wish alantic firearms would get the chezch small arms ones back in stock.
They got german lothar (IIRC) CL barrels.

We trashed a schitload of chezch ones in Karbala.
Bout 150 175 of em found in one of the fortified school house compunds.
Lay em in the streets slanted on the curb let M1,s run over em.



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Had a nice folder that sat on my lap on my 1st tour. Very compact; my A2 w/optics was in the vehicle rack. I picked up several from my interpreter and had one for each of my Humvee turret gunners for close-in work. Crude weapons but they usually worked, without much care. Would I own one now? No.
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Originally Posted by RGK
Had a nice folder that sat in my lap on my 1st tour. Very compact; my A2 w/optics was in the vehicle rack. I picked up several from my interpreter and had one for each of my Humvee turret gunners for close-in work. Crude weapons but they usually worked, without much care. Would I own one now? No.
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You still got that 40 rd mag???
Circle 10 one it looks like.

Carried this Bulgarian Rpk for 3 weeks x 2 a day patrols
Left the M4 at the compound.
Stuffed 4 extra 40rd and 3 30 rd mags in a sling bag
Kept my 5.56 mags in pouches if needed by others.
Wish I had kept the slabside mag in pic and put it in a b bag for the conex trip home......
Evans 240 gunner carried the pimped out Krink slung over his back.

Civil affairs weenies dailed us in to Brigade.
Seen us on patrol somewhere in Mosul....
Fugging care bear fugga,s.....

Both in 502nd IN trophy case.

Haji didnt like the Rpk being carried by me 1 bit.
Got to lay down suppressive fire with it a couple times.
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I'd say an AK is great for fighting battles in the dirt. They are reliable, tough and simple. However I'm not fighting any wars and don't need what an AK has to offer.

AR's are more accurate and perform very well for my needs which are mostly 3 gun and rifle matches. As long as they are kept reasonably clean and lubricated, AR's work great and I will stick with them.

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We have one up at our remote cabin for dispatching beavers and other targets of opportunity. It is fairly accurate, fun to shoot and seems to get the job done.

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Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Waiting for our resident fan from TN to chime in.


Used both.
Training and Real.
Either or in the right hands will kill.
I will probably get an A2 someday.
Either a windham or a stag.
AR,s kinda bore me.
"Built" a pretty good iron sighted M4 clone about 5 yrs ago.
Grew bored with it , sent it down the road.

Earned a living with one from A1,s A2,s and M4,s for a looooong time.
Funny thing is I find myself at ranges out shooting guys with AR,s frequently.
But I also help out alot of guys at ranges with AR and AK platforms.
In my nature to not condone fugged up stuff and help to improve people,s shooting.
Haven't had anyone go away not improving yet or insulted or mad.
Tactful approach to people .
Teach , coach , mentor.
Most of us are on the same side as firearm owners anyways.

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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
It's so easy to operate even a [bleep] can use it...



Kalashnikov claimed he designed the AK so a fuggin monkey could field strip it.

I’m surprised YouTube hasn’t taken that video down yet.

Dat’s Racist, ya know. 😜



He copied it from the Germans.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I figure that if, in the context of civil unrest, the differences between an AK and an AR become relevant, then things will have prob'ly gone so far down tubes that it don't much matter what you're using.



Pretty much it.
You’d be glad to have either or both accessible.


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