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https://www.guns.com/news/2020/07/0...4HmtdmVQOhEHRi5JYxGt-Gd31KALJs2rXsXaR6H0

don't think they can do this.

Democrats on Capitol Hill have introduced a bill championed by anti-gun advocates to strictly regulate machines designed for the manufacturing of firearm frames or receivers.

The measure, titled the “Stop Home Manufacture of Ghost Guns Act of 2020,’’ would ban ownership of what the bill terms a “firearms manufacturing device” unless the tool is in the hands of a federally licensed firearm maker or of a business that produces such machines for use by FFLs.

Confusingly, the broad new definition to be added to federal code would place the regulation on “a device designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be used primarily to make or convert a product into, a frame or receiver for a firearm, and any combination of parts designed or intended for use in making” such a device.

While it could be argued by the bill’s sponsors that the measure is aimed at high-profile desktop milling machines like the Ghost Gunner and similar devices, it should be pointed out that there are dozens of different brands of hobbyist-level mini CNC machines for sale both online and at hardware outlet chains such as Harbor Freight that can be used in an array of metal and polymer fabrication work to include producing firearm frames or receivers. This suggests the bill’s sponsors may not be aware of what they are trying to accomplish, or, worse, are being coy with the scope of the legislation.

Moreover, such mills are not even needed in many cases. A variety of 20th Century firearms, such as STEN guns and the Luty SMG were specifically designed to be crafted in garage-level workshops with simple handtools. Guns such as the AK have had their receivers made from a shovel in recent years. Today, a host of commercially-available 3D printers can produce a range of polymer or, through metal sintering, aluminum firearm frames. These plans are widely shared.

Further, while NFA rules apply to home-built guns, firearms outside of NFA restrictions can legally be made by anyone who can possess them under the law.

With that being said, it is unsure just what a “firearms manufacturing device” may be under the proposed bill, a definition that could be far in scope and, like most gun control regulations, have little actual effect on crime. Nonetheless, the bill’s backers are sure that they are on the right track when it comes to adding a new law to the books.

“It is time for Congress to ban ghost guns and the flourishing traffic in the technology which manufactures them,” said the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin, a Maryland Democrat publically endorsed by Everytown last week. Everytown plans to spend $60 million on the 2020 elections.

The bill, entered as H.R. 7468 and referred to the Democrat-controlled House Committee on the Judiciary, also has the fast support of Giffords.

“We must stop the proliferation of these easy to make, untraceable guns that can be obtained with no background check, “Adzi Vokhina, Giffords Federal Affairs Director, contends. “Clamping down on the milling machines that make it virtually effortless to create an arsenal of untraceable weapons from a basement or garage is a good place to start.”

Ban, regulate, tax. Its all they know how to do, like a dog licking his nuts.

That is very true, Mostly tax

Ban shovels too?

Inquiring minds must know.

https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/diy-shovel-ak-photo-tsunami-warning.179192/

Post above is not mine but it is absolutely hilarious.

Tell that to the House brothers- - - - -their "firearms manufacturing devices" consist of a hammer, an anvil, a forge, and some files. Their favorite barrel-making raw material is a leaf spring for a Model A Ford.

At least the dog gets something worthwhile accomplished!

There goes your drill press and files.

Just wait,

if they ever get micro stamping on ammo approved they will next make it illegal to manufacture "ghost ammunition".. In other words, all those presses, dies, even Lee Loaders will be outlawed then.

Won't it be wonderful when they try that?

When machine tools are outlawed, only outlaws will have Bridgeport mills

Virtually, any CNC and drill press where I worked could manufacture gun parts, if they so desired. Would like to see them outlaw or tax all tool and die shops and good luck doing it!

I have an anvil, more than a couple of hammers, a hand powered drill or too, punches, a vice, files, could build a simple forge if needed with what's laying around.

In the "olden days", not a lot more was needed to produce firearm parts.

Obviously, Congresscretins have a lot less hands-on skills than say, the ten percent of the population that does all the work.

No more drills or files....

I can go to Home Depot, Lowes or any other decent hardware store and buy the materials to make a fully functioning firearm any day of the week. Anybody with even decent mechanical skills can build a single shot firearm in a couple of hours. You can try and ban equipment but you can't ban knowledge that is widely available.

Law would put every machine shop in the country out of business.

End mill would be contraband?

This is pointless as the cat is out of the bag.

The plans for an FGC-9 can be, already are actually, steganographically encoded in images and distributed to peers all over the internet. Those can be used to 3D print most all of the parts now, and even rifling for the barrel can be done with ECM equipment. Everything that can't be made easily....steel tube for the barrel, springs, etc. is unregulated and not gun specific so it can be had at a hardware store.

There probably isn't a way to undo this and trying to regulate machining equipment would have little impact.

Free men don't ask for permission to own or make weapons.

Best thing they could ban is Democrats.

Next best thing they could do is enforce the law and prosecute rioters for all offences committed. Nothing against peaceful protests, but vandalism, arson, looting, assault, uttering threats, murder, civil disobedience, blocking roads etc cannot be tolerated. PERIOD!

They tried saddling gunsmiths with ITAR and that fizzled so this is the next 2A end-around.

There is nothing new under the sun.

1 Samuel 13:19-22

19 Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!

20 So all Israel went down to the Philistines to have their plow points, mattocks, axes and sickles sharpened.

21 The price was two-thirds of a shekel for sharpening plow points and mattocks, and a third of a shekel for sharpening forks and axes and for repointing goads.

22 So on the day of the battle not a soldier with Saul and Jonathan had a sword or spear in his hand; only Saul and his son Jonathan had them.