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1899H 25-35 20" lightweight barrel, serial #79.7xx

same rifle Lyman #6 folding sight

same rifle front sight

1899H 22 HP 20" lightweight barrel, serial #1239xx has the same sight as 79.7xx
1899H 22 HP 20" lightweight barrel, serial #1657xx

same rifle rear sight

1899 250-3000 22" lightweight barrel, serial #1900xx

same rifle tang sight. this rifle has the same rear sight as 1657xx

1899 250-3000 type 2, serial # 2349xx 22" lightweight barrel

99G 300 24" barrel, serial #2462xx

Gotta go. post more later

99E 22 HP 20" lightweight barrel, serial #2692xx

99G, 303, 20" lightweight barrel, serial #2780xx, last version of the lightweight barrel sight

99G, 300 24" medium weight barrel, serial #2909xx. First version of the medium weight barrel sight.

99K 250-3000 24" medium weight barrel, 2986xx, slightly different than 2909xx

99K 300, 24" medium weight barrel, serial # 3094xx, a really early example of the integral base that uses the dovetailed front sight. This type of base was used until about 1955.

That's my most favoritter one.

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Those are the moccasins I wear around the house. My outside footwear is a well worn pair of Justin ropers. They get switched for something warmer in the Winter. Winter lasted about 8 months this time. Boy am I enjoying the warm weather.
I would rather spend money on guns and hot rods than clothes and modern automobiles. My 15 year Dodge 2500 diesel, 6 speed has almost 290,000 miles and should last me the rest of my life.

After viewing David's pics is it a correct observation that for other than the early early "backward sight", for barrels with integral sights, lightweight barrels have short integral and medium barrels have long integral?


Also, this a pic of the earliest raised ramp sight 99 I have seen.

No, the switch from light weight to medium weight with integral front sight happened within the short production run of the Long Integral front sight period.

My 99G, serial #2780xx has a 20" lightweight barrel with a long base. It is #2 in the second post above. I don't think I've seen another one like it. The serial # places it as 1925 production.

Oh, it's a front sight. The title had me going for a second. I didn't know anybody named Long or Short developed an integral. I primarily dealt with Riemann, Darboux, Stieltjes, Lebesgue and Daniell.

I pulled the blade from this front sight for another reason but it does fit in with this thread, I don't know the exact date of the barrel but if the rear sight is original it has a 1914 patent date.

This show the early adjustable height sight insert, the left side of the blade has fine grooves as does the inside left sight slot. The hole for the attaching screw is open at the bottom so the sight can be insert at different heights. I do not know how long this was used.



The name on the patent for adjustable blade is Francis C Chadwick and not assigned to any company, when I found this I did not associate it with Savage, I was not aware of them using this type insert and did not pay much attention to the inventor. This is from 1905, he may not have been working with Savage in 1905, the first Chadwick patent I found assigned to Savage is from 1907, the patent for the 1899 take-down, he also had a couple more.

" I do not know how long this was used."

It changed in 1927 when Savage went to the raised ramp front sight style. The 99-A,B,C,D and H had front sights that were dovetailed in the barrel . After the switch in 1927 only the 99-H stayed the same while all the others went to the ramped style.


" I don't know the exact date of the barrel but if the rear sight is original it has a 1914 patent date."

Given that it is a .250 brl, I would guess it was from around 1914 to mid-1919.

Rick , I was wondering how long they used the height adjustable grooved inserts, the long integral one on a 1920/26 was not grooved if I remember correctly.

Better picture, just got a 'new' camera yesterday with 2x the resolution of my old one, this time I think I got set right.


PS, these were taken with a used camera off eBay, $17.23 shipped with good batteries and there were some cheaper, when the batteries go I'll just throw it out and get another....

I have not removed a long blade from any of my 99's but there is a factory (blackened German silver) on eBay that is grooved. I shouldn't say that all long blades or that the long sight bases were all grooved as I can't say for sure.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Savage-99-...6?hash=item365a0b81b6:g:QIMAAOSwuMFUdcas

Gene, how tall is that sight from bottom to top?

Kieth, the brass blade is 0.286" overall top to bottom and 0.302 long (measured while removed). I think it original to the barrel, both have remnants of old black paint on them.

The bottom of the slot for it is 0.468" from bore center and the top is 0.596" - so the barrel blank had to start out at least 1.193" diameter to have enough material for it (if that's how it was made so no metal had to be added), the barrel is finished to 1.027". I always 'thought' that these were made bu turning the barrel to size front and back of the sight leaving a ring that was then contoured in a shaper, slotter or similar machine.

I have another one that I know is a replacement in a 22 HP barrel with the silver brazed base that is a lot taller at about 0.350" - I think that is a lot taller than needed for that gun, it has enough grooves that it could be shortened. It's just a little longer at 0.313". I also have some inserts hiding somewhere.

Thank you, Gene!