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Simple question, does the surgeon who is repairing your worn out heart utilize strict sterile procedure and wear a mask to protect himself or his patient? This is a guy who is in the top 2% of students. Has a work ethic that he stressed through 12 years of school and many 20 hour days of internship and residency. Masks have been mandatory in operating rooms for many years but what do those puppets know.
Another simple question, do you wash your hands after pissing or dumping? Similar logic at play here. If you don't like masks avoid the places where they are mandatory don't go there.
Whining is not very useful or productive so why do it?
mike r Im tired, Mike and dont even feel like trying to decipher that. Sx masks are to keep from having the surgeons vapor and fluids get in a pt and also to keep fluids from pt splatter from getting in the dr, but i kno the trick question answer is to protect the pt. Now, my N 100 mask is for me.
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A mask is not an unproven vaccine. I dont think a mask is harmful if clean.
You have to recognize an agenda and incrementalism.
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Don't worry Tlee, they'll be able to tell who got the vaccine and who didn't.
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Read the brief article. They didn't list their methodology for coming to that conclusion so for now I'd take it with a grain of salt. A recent study out of China also made some claims about mask use, but they were shot down by experts around the world for using data that would likely have given the same result without mask use. There was a large meta study done based on over 170 previous studies world wide that concluded that masks had a reasonable reduction in transmission, but that the reliability of this conclusion was 'weak' to use their own words. Overall, they likely work, but a better stragegy is physical distance, hand hygiene and contact tracing of infected individual by public health officials. The same meta study concluded with moderate certainty that physical distance and hygiene were good methods to prevent spread of the virus. Some jurisdictions had good results and used masks, but they also did the other measures (and border shut downs). Things are getting pretty much under control up here in Canada.
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I'm more than happy to wear a mask in public. Makes identifying me so much tougher. Yeah, but youre prolly already used to wearing a mask at nite since about age foteen, huh? I wish I knew the reference you've made so I can respond with snark, but this one went over my head and down a few counties.
Eliminate qualified immunity and you'll eliminate cops who act like they are above the law.
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Fug masks.
Back around ‘74 as I recall there was this thing called swine flu. They rushed a vaccine and started sticking people. One is my wife. She spent a week in the hospital, and three days in ICU. Never had the flu.
I am..........disturbed.
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State of Michigan is not under a mandatory mask rule............businesses will risk loss of license to operate if found to allow patrons in stores w/o mask & individuals can be fined $500.
All by fiat & the whim of Her Majesty Queen Gretchen...............yet to be tested in court. Legislature seem to be helpless or hapless, or both.
But MI Supreme Court has not yanked her down on anything yet, so not likely to happen now either.
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When they make the "vaccine" mandatory, will you take it? If they force you to stay home permanently? What happens when you need to go the doctor, but you refuse to take their "vaccine"? What if your kid is in an auto crash and is in intensive care, will you take the "vaccine" to be let in the hospital? Mandatory vaccine and microchip at the same time? Naww, never happen. Maybe. https://thefutureofthings.com/3221-hitachi-develops-worlds-smallest-rfid-chip/
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State of Michigan is not under a mandatory mask rule............businesses will risk loss of license to operate if found to allow patrons in stores w/o mask & individuals can be fined $500.
All by fiat & the whim of Her Majesty Queen Gretchen...............yet to be tested in court. Legislature seem to be helpless or hapless, or both.
But MI Supreme Court has not yanked her down on anything yet, so not likely to happen now either.
MM Nothing has really changed since before her last manstual rampage. Stores added a more signage to cover their ass. Sheriffs said they won't enforce it. Doubt city police will either, except for a few power hungry badge wearers. Was at a Home Depot today and many were not wearing the panty liners on the face. Employees still put them on their chins. I just keep a mesh turkey hunting half mask handy in the truck. Gets me past any mask gestapo. No regulation on what they have to be made of. Order excludes masks if exercising. Last I knew walking damn sure is exercising. Ever see the video of the mask factory where kids make them on the dirty floor? Also, are you sure you want a china made product on your face to "protect" from the virus made in china?
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I hate them, but I’m gonna have to wear one. Lots of stores require it here. Went through Jasper On Sunday, nobody was wearing a mask. Same in Woodville. That's cuz everyone is related from boning each other so they ain't scared of breathing on each other.
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IfSee most people wearing masks public around here. Mostly voluntary. If most of the population is willing to wear masks in public To lower their chance of getting or spreading the virus then most will also want to get the shot. So I dont see mandatory shots being necessary or likely. They will line up like sheep to get it. Some companies might mandate you get it to work there but I am skeptical that the government will require you to get one. If Biden wins then my opinion might change.
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For all of my friends defending the mask, I won’t hate you, no matter how hard you try to push your views down my throat, but read this... ⬇️
When you ask why I won’t wear a mask and say - “It’s just a mask.”
.....”It's just a mask" can turn into "it's just a vaccine" very quickly. And it will, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!
In less than 5 months, our government has successfully divided the country into "obedient mask wearers" versus "selfish people that refuse to wear masks.”
"It's just a mask, you guys.” It's for "the greater good!” Where have we heard this phrase before?💡
In less than 5 months, our government has dictated what events are acceptable versus unacceptable to attend. Riots are OK, but church and family funerals are not. Standing in a graduation line is a "safety hazard,” but feel free to line up at WalMart, Lowes, and Home Depot. . But it's "just a mask" & "safety precautions,” you guys.
In less than 5 months, our government successfully facilitated the closing of family-owned businesses while granting authority to large corporations that they have invested interests in.
It's "just a mask" and "safety precautions" you guys. Oh & here's a measly $1200 that we stole from you in the first place. Enjoy!
In less than 5 months, our government was able to successfully sway the population into believing that a CASHLESS SOCIETY is a good thing! In the name of a government sponsored virus.
In less than 5 months, our government closed down public schools, and has "restructured" school moving forward under the guise of "public safety" from a "virus.” These same schools fed children crap per the corrupt USDA food pyramid. But "health" matters when it comes to a government sponsored virus 💡
It's "just a mask" & "heightened safety precautions,” you guys.
In less than 5 months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to "guidelines" (that have NO scientific premise whatsoever) when they are fearful.
What was up with all that toilet paper?
It's "just a mask" & "6 foot social distancing,” you guys. Oh, and dooky paper.
In less than 5 months, our government has successfully instilled fear in a majority of the population in America.
But citizens are not "afraid" of the people in power who are responsible for the removal of their "freedoms.” Instead, they're fearful of their neighbors and family, human touch, and air. Government created division.
There are thousands of viruses that *could* affect the population, but these viruses do not matter because MSM didn't say they do.
It's absolutely terrifying to me that so many people do not question authority because they see that authority as "all knowing." It's even more terrifying that these same people rely on corrupt "leaders" to be led, thus lacking all critical thinking skills/independence.
Slaves to the system that keeps them oppressed.
How quickly history is forgotten and repeated!
What's most problematic to me about all of this is that the people who are wearing masks "for the greater good" will be the first to sign up for this shiny new vaccine that's had 0 longitudinal safety tests against an inert placebo.
What's more problematic to me is that this Vaccine MAY be the deciding factor in life moving forward.
You thought a mask was inconvenient? Wait until you're told that you cannot enter a store without proof of the Covid-19 vaccine. Wait until you cannot go to public events, or travel, without proof of having received this vaccine.
To everyone that doesn't believe this is possible - do you understand that our government just successfully dictated to people WHEN they were allowed to be outside, where they were allowed to go, and how their children would be educated, in less than 5 months? And that a majority of the population followed blindly because they were told to do so.
You're kidding yourself if you believe that they're not going to repeat this behavior with a vaccine.
If people have not protested the occurrences in America over the last 5 months, they will assuredly continue to abide by unsubstantiated "guidelines" that will include a vaccine.
It’s not about a mask, it’s about CONTROL. Best post of the month, by FAR.... And I couldn't possibly agree more... I couldn't believe how fast the majority of citizens rolled over and allowed such incredible (and ILLEGAL) control over their lives... For the record - I refuse to wear a mask with the exception of a possible visit to a doctor's office or clinic.. I can understand that to a degree - but the rest? Not a chance..
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Don't worry Tlee, they'll be able to tell who got the vaccine and who didn't. It's just a train ride. If you behave, we will let you take a shower when you get there.
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"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
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Simple question, does the surgeon who is repairing your worn out heart utilize strict sterile procedure and wear a mask to protect himself or his patient? This is a guy who is in the top 2% of students. Has a work ethic that he stressed through 12 years of school and many 20 hour days of internship and residency. Masks have been mandatory in operating rooms for many years but what do those puppets know.
Another simple question, do you wash your hands after pissing or dumping? Similar logic at play here. If you don't like masks avoid the places where they are mandatory don't go there.
Whining is not very useful or productive so why do it?
mike r The surgical mask is for bacteria and not a virus. The surgical mask is effective in filtering bacteria but in capable of filtering a virus N95'S will filter 95% of the virus if changed out ev ER Ryan 4 to 5hours of use
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Don't worry Tlee, they'll be able to tell who got the vaccine and who didn't. It's just a train ride. If you behave, we will let you take a shower when you get there. Absolutely on the money!
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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This comment only makes sense if were all walking around with open chest wounds.what happens in an operating has not one damn thing to do with a grocery store .
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George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
Old cat turd!
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I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me
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Does a mask make a difference? Yes. But not a big difference. It's been described as a cheesecloth approach, mask alone won't prevent anything, washing hands alone won't prevent anything, social distancing alone won't prevent anything etc. But each piece reduces in some amount, sometimes small, sometimes large.
I am NOT for universal rules, our country is to big and diverse and the spread of C19 is to varied depending on locations. Keep it in scope, we are at about 3,000,000 cases. That's a big number and a lot of people. However statistically it's 1% of our country.
Personally I don't wear a mask. I will this afternoon at a doctor office as that's their rule, so it's my decision to wear or not go. I wore it on a plane to go visit my new grandson, my choice to do so, or don't go.
I will make the decision based on medical info I can round up and filter through depending on where I go.
there are opposing groups, those that insist and those that never well. Hopefully the majority of USA is in the middle and making decisions for themselves.
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