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Just re-read Jack O'Connor's article last night. Maybe some of you 7x57 fans have not had the opportunity. It appeared in a 1974 Gun Digest annual edition. "Yet I think I have seen more game killed with fewer shots from this modest little cartridge than with any other". https://gundigest.com/more/classic-guns/forty-years-little-7mm
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I re-read that one about once a year. Good stuff.
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Bought/shot my first 7-08 in 1985.
The 7mm Mouser,is a POOR comparison.
Hint........................
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Thank you sir, that was a very nice read...
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I have read that article, but seldom read any of his stuff any more...
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Bought/shot my first 7-08 in 1985.
The 7mm Mouser,is a POOR comparison.
Hint........................ Only you dummy....
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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Btw, John meadows said your a cull now, like you were back then... hint
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I have read that article, but seldom read any of his stuff any more... Are you looking for some kind of accolade for moving past his writing?
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A good read. Thank you for posting it.
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I grew up reading his articles. Loved them then, and still do.
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Thanks for the reminder, I need to read that again. It's been a long time. In fact it has been forever that I picked up an Old Gun Digest and leafed through an edition.
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Thanks for the read. My favorite line: she wanted a big rifle for the safari so chose a 30-06.
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Jack O'Conner and Bob Hagel are two great writers of the past whose books I never tire of reading and re-reading. They're still relevant today.
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I'm kinda over cartridge worship. All I've tried have worked just fine, though some have been easier to work with than others. In the end, the bullet does the work, and the rifle lets you direct it to where it does that work. So when I run into a rifle that appeals to me, the cartridge it uses is not all that important, as long as it can be obtained or made without too much trouble.
Obviously, for some uses, like LR targets and bench rest, cartridge choice matters a lot, but I hunt, and shoot for fun, and like to futz around with rifles. Those things are accomplished with just about anything.
Then again, some rifles are made possible, or practical, by cartridge design, so sometimes we end up right back where we started.🤔
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Then again, some rifles are made possible, or practical, by cartridge design, so sometimes we end up right back where we started.🤔 That's pretty much the 7x57 vs 7-08. But in 'Stick's defense, in my extremely limited experience I find it takes a little longer to find consistent MOA loads in the 7x57, especially in one rifle and across a diversity of bullet weights. I don't know why that's the case (throat variations?) but it seems to be. But the 7x57 wasn't developed as, nor is generally used as, a target rifle either, so I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference in the field...although sometimes after a frustrating day on the range I'm tempted to pick up a 7-08 Tikka and call it good. Just my $.02 RM
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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although sometimes after a frustrating day on the range I'm tempted to pick up a 7-08 Tikka and call it good. Just my $.02 RM HERETIC!! BLASPHEMER!
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I knew that was coming; I've already put on my helmet. I said 'temped,' I didn't say I'd done it.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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I’ve never fired a 7x57, but my sons 7mm-08 is very accurate with whatever we load for it
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"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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