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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
It is all grown up,it's just a welter weight that hits like a heavy weight. wink grin


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Yep. I"m trying to get one of my 7x57s to shoot anything other than 175-grain bullets into less than 1.5 MOA, but you're right: inside of 100 yards who cares. BTW, I don't think JOC ever mentioned how his 7x57s shot; just how effective they were on game.


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35 years ago I had an original 7mm Rolling Block and 13 boxes of Privi 175 grain round nose soft point. It resembled the load pictured below with a little more core exposed, The jacket was pretty heavy and the core was dead soft- you could mark it with your thumbnail.

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The last 2" of the Rolling Block's barrel was washed out so me and a gunsmith pal bobbed it off even with the forend metal, recrowned it and modofied a set of Williams aperture and bead sights to fit. The rifle still had nearly 27 inches of barrel left and it was plenty accurate with that load. I lived in an area rich with deer, coyotes, groundhogs etc. Aside from zeroing and shooting enough to find MPBR, practically every round from the next 6-7 boxes killed something; and for all the modern varmint and deer rifles I've used, nothing flattened stuff better than that old Roller with 175 grain RNSP bullets.

If I had to hunt the rest of my life with a good 7x57 or 7-08, I wouldn't shed a tear.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
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although sometimes after a frustrating day on the range I'm tempted to pick up a 7-08 Tikka and call it good. whistle

Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by roundoak
Have you tried Seafire's load of 40 grains IMR 3031? It has been shown to turn lousy shooters into accurate ones. PM him and get the scoop.


I googled that and found the following quote from Seafire on archive, thus no link.

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out of an older Hornady manual, I picked up a load of 40 grains of IMR 3031..

not what folks traditionally think of with the 7 mm Mauser, especially with that heavy of a bullet...

however out of 3 different rifles chambered in that round with 22 inch barrels, that load gave me MV of 2650 fps, with the 175 grain RN, and also groups sizes were about half an inch...

the two Rugers liked that combo best of all... the 175 SP shot 3/4 inch groups.. but with the RN's they shot 1/2 inch groups...

those Rugers loved IMR 3031! especially a charge of 40 grains, regardless of bullet weight...

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I remember reading that article years ago.

I first bought a 7x57 about 40 years ago. More recently, over perhaps the last couple of decades, I've been using the rimmed version. Either way they seem to perform well. I've killed truckloads of animals with them. They seem to have a good balance of killing power and manageability - even in a 6 lb rifle sans recoil pad.

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Here's some 3031 loads in an old Hornady 3rd Edition 1980 manual.

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The 7x57 was a great cartridge in its time. It is still a very capable cartridge but offers nothing for me. There is nothing the 7x57 can do that I can't get done with a 6.5CM or 7mm-08. Shorter/lighter action, many more ammo options from the factory, etc. Plus, I have a .280 Rem.


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Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
The 7x57 was a great cartridge in its time. It is still a very capable cartridge but offers nothing for me. There is nothing the 7x57 can do that I can't get done with a 6.5CM or 7mm-08. Shorter/lighter action, many more ammo options from the factory, etc. Plus, I have a .280 Rem.

It's kinda like driving an old classic car. There are lots of new cars that are better, but then a new car is not a classic either.

I would sell my 280 way before my 275Rigby. smile

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I would never pick the 7x57 over the 7mm08 unless I was in love with the particular platform the 7x57 came in.

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So many things are chosen by emotion and not what is practical at the time.



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Originally Posted by SuperCub
Here's some 3031 loads in an old Hornady 3rd Edition 1980 manual.

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Had that edition which I used for my M70FW,
always recall the 2900 MV with 154 grain,
(test rifle being a custom F. N. Mauser/ 22 inch.)


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Originally Posted by Kaleb
So many things are chosen by emotion and not what is practical at the time.


Is that necessarily bad?

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Rev Mike, have you tried the 156.gr Norma Oryx. It is by far the most accurate round in all three of my rifles. It’s a JB load, pretty sure it’s 46 gr of H4350. Check Gun Gack one.

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Originally Posted by southtexas
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So many things are chosen by emotion and not what is practical at the time.


Is that necessarily bad?



Emotion has totally [bleep] this country. So no, it's not bad, if you're a chick.

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RM8: I agree the the country is headed in a dangerous direction.

But from a strictly practical standpoint, while Ruger American Rifle is more practical, I'd prefer to hunt with the pre64 M70 that belonged to my father.

It won't accomplish the mission any better than the RAR, But emotionally, I'd prefer to carry the M70, or a dozen other rifles that may cost much more than the RAR, but don't dispatch bambi any better.

Is this bad? You yourself just said " I would never pick the 7x57 over the 7mm08 unless I was in love with the particular platform the 7x57 came in.". Isn't "love" an emotion?

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Good stuff there. I love my 7x57s, and they work exactly as advertised.



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Great JOC article on the 7x57, Thanks.

I also enjoyed the Imbedded 7mm vs 30 Caliber article by JR Sundra.
30% less recoil with comparable SDs is compelling.

I wonder how 6.5s would compare with modern bullet construction


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Originally Posted by CRJ1960
Rev Mike, have you tried the 156.gr Norma Oryx. It is by far the most accurate round in all three of my rifles. It’s a JB load, pretty sure it’s 46 gr of H4350. Check Gun Gack one.


I have not, but I have a box and I'll put them in the rotation for sure. Thanks for the reminder.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
It is all grown up,it's just a welter weight that hits like a heavy weight. wink grin

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