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Deflave:

As for as numbers go, I am getting:
1503 fps with 135 JHP
1250-1300 with 180 JHP
1190 with 200 JHP

Power pistol and 800x.

I do believe these #'s are well past 40 S&W territory. Do not get me wrong I like the 40 S&W but it is not in the same class as the 10mm


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the AA #9 seems to do pretty good with the 200 and 220's. Now if sig sold a P320 in 10 mm I would for sure go to that over the G20!

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Originally Posted by jimmyp
the AA #9 seems to do pretty good with the 200 and 220's. Now if sig sold a P320 in 10 mm I would for sure go to that over the G20!

I hope they don't listen.........I have enough 320s already.


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Originally Posted by Fotis
Deflave:

As for as numbers go, I am getting:
1503 fps with 135 JHP
1250-1300 with 180 JHP
1190 with 200 JHP

Power pistol and 800x.

I do believe these #'s are well past 40 S&W territory. Do not get me wrong I like the 40 S&W but it is not in the same class as the 10mm


The increased speed will increase internal damage. In my experience and opinion 200 extra FPS is significant


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The increased speed will increase internal damage. In my experience and opinion 200 extra FPS is significant


Not to mention flatter shooting , especially at longer distances . Just look at point of impact graphs reflecting 50 and 100 yards .

I don't need a 40 S&W , because I have a 10mm ….. Plenty of impotent loads out there for the 10mm if spicy isn't what you're looking for .

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Originally Posted by Fotis
Deflave:

As for as numbers go, I am getting:
1503 fps with 135 JHP
1250-1300 with 180 JHP
1190 with 200 JHP

Power pistol and 800x.

I do believe these #'s are well past 40 S&W territory. Do not get me wrong I like the 40 S&W but it is not in the same class as the 10mm


Those are good numbers and best the .40 for sure.

But I've seen plenty of 180gr. factory loads average just north of 1,050 and 155gr average just under 1,300fps.

My point is that I just don't see the juice vs squeeze with the 10mm.


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Originally Posted by deflave
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Oh yeah. I remember you saying that in the past. But the .40 S&W cannot be loaded to near the same power level.


I came to the conclusion by chronographing a variety of factory and handloaded ammo.

The potential is there but very few utilize it.

Lots of 10mm's are slinging the equivalent of the .40 S&W.


I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.


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I have a crap ton of Winchester 175 gr Silvertips that a friend gave me and that are extremely accurate in my Fusion. I usually use hard cast 200 hr flat pony from DoubleTap or Underwood for deer and pigs but I did shoot a couple of deer with the Silvertips out of a 5 inch S&W 610 and they performed very nicely


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Originally Posted by FreeMe


I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.


That is one confused revolver you got right there.


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Originally Posted by deflave


Lots of 10mm's are slinging the equivalent of the .40 S&W.
Ain't that the truth. We had a customer a few years ago who bought a Delta Elite from us. Within a few days, he brought it back to the gunsmith, saying it wouldn't cycle. Our 'smith couldn't find anything wrong with it. The customer insisted that we send it back to Colt. We did, and they couldn't find anything wrong with it, either. Then he told us that he was shooting Federal AE ammo in it. We tried explaining to him that it wasn't "real" 10mm because it was only 30fps faster than the same bullet in .40 and it didn't have enough oomph for the stronger recoil spring. He was adamant that it was 10mm ammo and ended up selling the gun back to us at a big loss. Someone got a like-new Delta Elite at a good price.

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Originally Posted by deflave
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I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.


That is one confused revolver you got right there.


Makes life interesting. Gets pretty boring listening to and talking about what everyone else is doing the same.


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Originally Posted by FreeMe


Makes life interesting. Gets pretty boring listening to and talking about what everyone else is doing the same.


Yep.

That's why I tee off with a sand wedge.


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Leave bullets out of this, its about 200 fps, tops.

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Why not a 10 over a 40?

Wouldn’t a gun designed for 10mm handle the extra pressure better than a gun designed for 9mm will handle 40?

And ammo price is so close who cares.

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Originally Posted by widrahthaar


Wouldn’t a gun designed for 10mm handle the extra pressure better than a gun designed for 9mm will handle 40?




I couldn't say for certain but I would think any 10mm digesting 10K rounds of full house 10mm is going to require a look-see.

Same for the .40.


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Not really.

There's loads I can run through the Para I wouldn't dare throw in the Double Eagle or a Delta.

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Originally Posted by HawkI
Leave bullets out of this, its about 200 fps, tops.


All else equal about 250 fps, worthwhile in a semi auto handgun cartridge to be used on bigger critters like hogs and bear. Carried openly in a chest rig like the DD Guides Choice a G20 carries as easily as a G22. I can't see any advantage of carrying the less powerful .40 for deer, hog and bear in such a situation.


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I dont see any advantage in either when they make 44s and 45s.

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Originally Posted by HawkI
I dont see any advantage in either when they make 44s and 45s.


Double duty/mag capacity. There are places in the wild where, although there are bears, there are also two legged critters who run meth labs, etc.

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