I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.
That is one confused revolver you got right there.
Actually nothing confused at all. Bigger hole than a .357, in the same size package, without giving up a round. Cheap and compact speed loaders. Room to bump it up to 10mm magnum if I feel goosey. Which I probably won't, 'cause seating heavy slugs long oal gives some extra powder room already. To me, it renders the .357 mag almost irrelevant.
I've got a Ruger GP-100 MC and don't know why anyone would want to bore it out to 10mm Magnum.
Jeff Quinn did that with his and a) lost the ability to run 10mm without clips b) the velocity increase wasn't that much c) started getting misfires with 10mm because the factory clips are are not for headspacing, they are for ejection. The round headspaces on the case mouth so one has to switch to the Thick Clips just like getting reliable ignition from .40 S&W. d) almost no factory ammo available e) this is a Medium-Frame gun and recoil with 200 grain full load hardcast 10mm is NOT fun...so why bother unless one wanted to get a second cylinder fitted.
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
Then by all means, the 10mm has to be the way to go.....
Hell I'd take a 45 Super over a 10mm 7 days to Sunday. The 45 Suoer and 10mm in my experience penetrates about the same but the 45 leaves a much larger wound channel
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Agreed, also, if one wants some 40 cal revolver horsepower, enter the great 41 Remington Magnum!
Which completely outclasses any loading of 10mm.
Great round, sure would be interesting in an L-Frame....5 shots would be fine. Or GP-100 size......but unfluted, not fluted like the heavier 44 Special. I assume it would handle the pressure.
No doubt, a semi holds much more capacity.
Re: the 40 vs 10 when using 200 hard cast, I'd guess they both penetrate very well, based on my experience with 44 using 240gr at 1050.
As to the 10 vs 45 Super, I'd not want to get hit by either. How is the recoil out of curiosity on the Super? Guessing like a mid-range 44 mag load, but with the slide recoil?
Then by all means, the 10mm has to be the way to go.....
Hell I'd take a 45 Super over a 10mm 7 days to Sunday. The 45 Suoer and 10mm in my experience penetrates about the same but the 45 leaves a much larger wound channel
Quite honestly I'd take a 44/45 wheelgun because my imaginary/pretend isn't that creative and I've never been into video games!
I've got a Ruger GP-100 MC and don't know why anyone would want to bore it out to 10mm Magnum.
Jeff Quinn did that with his and a) lost the ability to run 10mm without clips b) the velocity increase wasn't that much c) started getting misfires with 10mm because the factory clips are are not for headspacing, they are for ejection. The round headspaces on the case mouth so one has to switch to the Thick Clips just like getting reliable ignition from .40 S&W. d) almost no factory ammo available e) this is a Medium-Frame gun and recoil with 200 grain full load hardcast 10mm is NOT fun...so why bother unless one wanted to get a second cylinder fitted.
Yeah, that's what's keeping me from doing it. But it's an option.
MBW's 200 grain LBT is reported to not work in auto magazines unless seated deeper than spec. Not even something to think about with the MC. No serious person would claim that any 10mm will stand in for a 41 mag, but even a 200gr 40 cal from a GP100 size revolver is a handy step up from the 357. I have yet to see what can be done with heavier slugs seated long, but I expect it will be worth the look. Still working my way up with that 200gr LBT.
I guess I differ on the recoil perception. I think the 220gr Underwood load is pretty manageable, while their 180gr 357 load out of the same size gun makes me want to put it down after one or two shots. Hot 200gr 10mm? Not a problem at all. Don't ask me why.
Then by all means, the 10mm has to be the way to go.....
Hell I'd take a 45 Super over a 10mm 7 days to Sunday. The 45 Suoer and 10mm in my experience penetrates about the same but the 45 leaves a much larger wound channel
Ironically, for a pistol, I'm inclined to agree that the 45 Super makes more sense.
[quote=RJM]I've got a Ruger GP-100 MC and don't know why anyone would want to bore it out to 10mm Magnum.
Yeah, that's what's keeping me from doing it. But it's an option.
MBW's 200 grain LBT is reported to not work in auto magazines unless seated deeper than spec. Not even something to think about with the MC. No serious person would claim that any 10mm will stand in for a 41 mag, but even a 200gr 40 cal from a GP100 size revolver is a handy step up from the 357. I have yet to see what can be done with heavier slugs seated long, but I expect it will be worth the look. Still working my way up with that 200gr LBT.
L to R, 10mm/200WFN, 45 ACP/200WFN, 45ACP/300 WFN. Note the 200 and 300gr. 45's seat the same depth in the case. The 10mm is too long to function and feed out of the magazine, but fits the chamber. The seating depth needs to go over that little shoulder. If I wanted more from a 10 wheelie, I would make me a bullet, not cut on the chamber.
That's one issue that crops up in the 10mm. It's the issue of OAL, at least in my two samples, which are 1911 designs. Mag length dictates a lot.
I just don't see a big difference in loading manuals between the 40 and 10mm; some people qoute 250fps. advantage. It's theoretically there, right after we add an inch or two of barrel and load it to its slightly higher SAAMI numbers. Even then....
My Colt Delta Elite stainless spends almost all its time as a .22LR now, since I got a Rock Island Armory 10mm PRO Ultra Match HC. The RIA’s nearly three and a half pound loaded weight and six inch barrel make for some easy shooting with full loads, though its dust cover rail might best be used for attaching wheels.
I'm trying to avoid that with the Match Champion. Is there a 230gr load for the 40s&w? If I can ever find a 240gr slug to try, I'll be all over it.
That is one confused revolver you got right there.
Actually nothing confused at all. Bigger hole than a .357, in the same size package, without giving up a round. Cheap and compact speed loaders. Room to bump it up to 10mm magnum if I feel goosey. Which I probably won't, 'cause seating heavy slugs long oal gives some extra powder room already. To me, it renders the .357 mag almost irrelevant.
Oh Moses smell the Roses.
Bump up to a .44 caliber and stop wasting your time.
As far as the .357 is concerned, I determined that round was irrelevant the day after I met it.
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