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President Trump said he may send more Federal Law Enforcement to NY, Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, etc.
What do ya think? Good Idea or a Bad Idea?
I personally think he should make very, very public offers to the Mayors and the Governors of these Blue Hell Holes, but only send in the help if they request it. If they want their liberal citizens to suffer at the hands of the "Mob", so be it.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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American Citizens deserve to be kept safe. If the locals refuse to do the job, then...............
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Let it burn. They fouled their nest, let them clean it up... or die trying.
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American Citizens deserve to be kept safe. If the locals refuse to do the job, then...............
This^^^ plain and simple Whatever politicizing horseshît slant mayors like Lori Lightfoot can spin out of it, it (the influx of real enforcement) will still justify the fact America needs law and order to prevail. We are devolving (de evolving) every day as is.
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I think federal law enforcement only has valid jurisdiction on federal land. But that's a philosophical, not a legal, opinion. Sheriffs are charged with the responsibility of maintaining law and order in their counties according to the standards of the inhabitants of that county. Sheriffs have the power to deputize citizens at will to this end. That's a legal opinion. Sending feds in is an egregious overstepping of lawful authority. That's a personal opinion.
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I’ve pondered that too, just how far, hypothetically can federal agents defending a courthouse go to repel an attack. Arm length distance, the property line, Molotov cocktail throwing distance?
What I think doesn’t matter but I would like to see them hard and make pain.
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I’ve pondered that too, just how far, hypothetically can federal agents defending a courthouse go to repel an attack. Arm length distance, the property line, Molotov cocktail throwing distance?
What I think doesn’t matter but I would like to see them hard and make pain. I would not be averse to a bit of "overstepping" in this case, if their hearts are in the right place.
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Well, if these idiots complaining new anything, they would know one of the President's jobs is keeping citizens safe, even if it is from domestic enemies.
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I think federal law enforcement only has valid jurisdiction on federal land. But that's a philosophical, not a legal, opinion. Sheriffs are charged with the responsibility of maintaining law and order in their counties according to the standards of the inhabitants of that county. Sheriffs have the power to deputize citizens at will to this end. That's a legal opinion. Sending feds in is an egregious overstepping of lawful authority. That's a personal opinion. I agree.....I do think trump should have come down hard on ...so called protesters that where destroying fed property and right away....bob
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I think federal law enforcement only has valid jurisdiction on federal land. But that's a philosophical, not a legal, opinion. Sheriffs are charged with the responsibility of maintaining law and order in their counties according to the standards of the inhabitants of that county. Sheriffs have the power to deputize citizens at will to this end. That's a legal opinion. Sending feds in is an egregious overstepping of lawful authority. That's a personal opinion. I agree.....I do think trump should have come down hard on ...so called protesters that where destroying fed property and right away....bob Exactly. Trump SHOULD HAVE ALREADY come down hard. I don't know why he has waited. I don't know why he didn't take a harder stance from the beginning, and let people know that regardless of race, anyone attacking federal property would have their asses beat, then they'd be serving time for the maximum allowable time.
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I think federal law enforcement only has valid jurisdiction on federal land. But that's a philosophical, not a legal, opinion. Sheriffs are charged with the responsibility of maintaining law and order in their counties according to the standards of the inhabitants of that county. Sheriffs have the power to deputize citizens at will to this end. That's a legal opinion. Sending feds in is an egregious overstepping of lawful authority. That's a personal opinion. I agree.....I do think trump should have come down hard on ...so called protesters that where destroying fed property and right away....bob Exactly. Trump SHOULD HAVE ALREADY come down hard. I don't know why he has waited. I don't know why he didn't take a harder stance from the beginning, and let people know that regardless of race, anyone attacking federal property would have their asses beat, then they'd be serving time for the maximum allowable time. Because there are a lot of bad connotations to a Federalized police force, some of which you have already mentioned. The locals had to be allowed to fail. I don't like this, but at the same time, I'm ready to see Trump's people bust some f uc king commie heads. "Keewontay, he went out to get some free shixt at de protest de other night and the Trump peoples grab him up and we never seen him since,".
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The federal govt does not need the approval of state or city authorities to enforce federal law. They don't need to notify them or get clearance from them. So if they go to enforce federal law, have at it.
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EE is right. The locals had to have their chance to succeed or fail. They did almost nothing, so step in and be the "Law and Order" President. Do it legal and get it done. These are the domestic enemies that all military members took an oath to defend against. I'm not sure what oath the marshal service and other federal officers take but I am sure it is similar in some aspects.
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the lack of vigorous response to the rioters is one of trump's great failures. we have several infantry divisions holding their d*cks while our cities burn and are destroyed by insurrectionists. the rioters are not brave. when they have been confronted, resisted, and arrested, they have stopped.
i give the dallas city govt a hard time, but they have hired several good police chiefs in a row. the latest is a diversity pick (black & female) who got it done. "if you break the law, you will be arrested," she said. they broke the law, and dpd arrested their dumb azzes. no riots after that.
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The federal govt does not need the approval of state or city authorities to enforce federal law. They don't need to notify them or get clearance from them. So if they go to enforce federal law, have at it. Have enough boots on the ground to get the job done. Hasbeen
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So if the Feds arrest them do they still end up in a city court?
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There are two Federal in buildings in NYC 2 blocks north of city hall on Broadway (290 Broadway and 26 Federal Plaza) with 26 Federal Plaza being the second largest Federal building (the Pentagon being the largest) and several Federal Court Houses nearby. Hell yeah send in the Feds to protect them!
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Because there are a lot of bad connotations to a Federalized police force, some of which you have already mentioned. The locals had to be allowed to fail. I don't like this, but at the same time, I'm ready to see Trump's people bust some f uc king commie heads. Good point. Makes sense.
"Keewontay, he went out to get some free shixt at de protest de other night and the Trump peoples grab him up and we never seen him since,".
We can certainly hope. I'd actually fist pump and start cheering if this happened.
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American Citizens deserve to be kept safe. If the locals refuse to do the job, then...............
I have to agree. There are millions of good conservative people in those cities who deserve protection. Otherwise, I'd say let them burn.
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