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These are the first I thought of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_hitch![[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Blackwall_hitch.png/220px-Blackwall_hitch.png) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becket_hitch![[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Becket_hitch_knot.png/220px-Becket_hitch_knot.png) One can throw an extra half hitch around the hook before putting strain on the line. As I recall on the Blackwall you can throw a hitch around the point of the hook after running the hitch through the bend of the hook too. Take note............NOT to used for human life. And once your deer is up and the line goes slack they're easy to loosen. Very easy. that Becket hitch is a sheet bend. You can go around again and it's a double sheet bend. It's an old sailors' knot originally used to tie a rope to the corner of a canvas sail or sheet as they were called. It's fast and easy but not suitable for supporting a person.
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These are the first I thought of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_hitchhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becket_hitchOne can throw an extra half hitch around the hook before putting strain on the line. As I recall on the Blackwall you can throw a hitch around the point of the hook after running the hitch through the bend of the hook too. Take note............NOT to used for human life. And once your deer is up and the line goes slack they're easy to loosen. Very easy. that Becket hitch is a sheet bend. You can go around again and it's a double sheet bend. It's an old sailors' knot originally used to tie a rope to the corner of a canvas sail or sheet as they were called. It's fast and easy but not suitable for supporting a person. Yep, both adaptations on a theme. And not suitable for supporting a person. But either of the two, especially the Blackwall, should be suitable for Shaman's use, I do believe he mentioned pulling up a deer, not a person. And wanting something easy to release.
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These are the first I thought of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_hitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becket_hitch One can throw an extra half hitch around the hook before putting strain on the line. As I recall on the Blackwall you can throw a hitch around the point of the hook after running the hitch through the bend of the hook too. Take note............NOT to used for human life. And once your deer is up and the line goes slack they're easy to loosen. Very easy. I like those.
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A clove hitch pulled tight is almost impossible to untie without damaging the rope. Only if the rope used is quite thin... I've used a clove hitch for more than 60 years and never had a problem untying it... With all the other knots I've used while in the Navy, the CH is the one I use the most.. Info here: https://www.101knots.com/clove-hitch.html
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Figure 8 with a loop. It’s a standard life-safety knot. It should work fine. This is all that is needed. It's an easy knot to break down. It is the knot all carabiners go through to anchor points. [video:youtube] https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=figure+8+knot+on+the+bight[/video]
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These are the first I thought of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_hitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becket_hitch One can throw an extra half hitch around the hook before putting strain on the line. As I recall on the Blackwall you can throw a hitch around the point of the hook after running the hitch through the bend of the hook too. Take note............NOT to used for human life. And once your deer is up and the line goes slack they're easy to loosen. Very easy. I like those. I've seen some stuff lifted with the Blackwall..................but it must be kept under tension. I'd guess it would work on a deer coming up the hill. Good luck with whichever one you try. Nothing wrong with a clove hitch either. My experience mimics Redneck's, just not in the Navy. Civilian stuff only.
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Reality Check:
In this situation, I can tell you that the Clove Hitch works, but it can be tough to get out. If I've been dragging a deer up, I usually have to work it off the end of the hook.
The worst was a loop knot (Make a loop and then tie an overhand knot with it) . I had a devil of a time getting the knot out, but it was easy to get off the winch hook.
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Bowline.
Or plat you an eye in the rope and call it good.
I keep a couple of lengths of the dyneema rope in my SxS.
Eyes platted in each end to add length to my winch.
It’s saved the day a couple times.
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You might try this also. Use a figure 8 to form the loop perhaps, or the favored bowline; ![[Linked Image from upload.wikimedia.org]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Bale_sling_hitch_knot.png/220px-Bale_sling_hitch_knot.png) by pushing on the loop it should be very easy to remove from the hook, and in most lines a figure 8 or bowline can usually be undone relatively easily. Get a marlinspike if needed to loosen turns.
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Bowline.
Or plat you an eye in the rope and call it good.
I keep a couple of lengths of the dyneema rope in my SxS.
Eyes platted in each end to add length to my winch.
It’s saved the day a couple times. That's some pretty good stuff. How many strands and do you do the eye yourself?
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What you need is a cathead on that winch. Then you can just use all rope and not have to screw around with hooking to a cable. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/YBWokab.jpg)
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Bowline.
Or plat you an eye in the rope and call it good.
I keep a couple of lengths of the dyneema rope in my SxS.
Eyes platted in each end to add length to my winch.
It’s saved the day a couple times. That's some pretty good stuff. How many strands and do you do the eye yourself? I’d call it woven. No “strands” like regular rope. I found a video on YouTube how to make the eye. I use some 3/8”. Without looking. I think it’s good for 19k. Also a some 5/16”.
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Geno, or like been mentioned by most, tie a large bowline first, & then use the opening to form this figure 8 loop.
That way, you can always untie the loop knot.
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What you need is a cathead on that winch. Then you can just use all rope and not have to screw around with hooking to a cable. Or an Uberlanche & a mile of cable !
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I like that thimble/bowline idea. I'll get a couple for the pack.
Thanks y'all.
The trick I've found out is to be the one tying the knots. None of my hunting partners are knot savvy.
I'm also been the family granny knot untier for 50 years. Everyone takes an unassailable knot and just throws it at me. If I'm not around, they cut it out.
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I like that thimble/bowline idea. I'll get a couple for the pack.
Thanks y'all.
The trick I've found out is to be the one tying the knots. None of my hunting partners are knot savvy.
I'm also been the family granny knot untier for 50 years. Everyone takes an unassailable knot and just throws it at me. If I'm not around, they cut it out.
If you can't tie a knot, tie alot! If you don’t know any, tie many! Works well enough when alone. I don't want to be the guy on the next shift that has to deal with it though
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2 pairs of needle nose pliers are handy for untying some knots. I've even resorted to clamping a knot in a vise so I can pull it loose. Yep. A hook and pick set is too.
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Thimbles are useful, but they are best used with a slice rather than a knot. Knots.... they can reduce the breaking strength of line/rope, or not, depending on the knot used. Bowlines run in the 90-95% range as I recall, they are easy to tie AND untie. Another useful knot for the purpose at hand is a tent hitch. Adjustable and quite strong, easy to untie. https://www.netknots.com/download_file/533/0
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