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Originally Posted by North61
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Hemi:speed has nothing to do with killing and often a faster bullet will penetrate less. Some guys on here can even explain this. You are going heavy with a reasonable wound channel with a .325 which is a responsible choice considering the guns .458 guides. You want a big slow bullet for maximum penetration and the 250 grain will get er done!


With good bullet construction speed is a wonderful thing and has a fair bit to do with killing in my experience. The great thing about the 325 is that you can get a pretty good balance of both with a 200 grain bullet at 2800+ ft/sec. That speed will give you excellent expansion and a wide wound channel and the retained weight of a Nosler Partition, Accubond or Barnes X will give excellent penetration.


Agreed. Using the correct bullet is key. If slower out penetrates faster wouldn't the faster bullet eventually slow down and out penetrate itself?

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Agreed. Using the correct bullet is key. If slower out penetrates faster wouldn't the faster bullet eventually slow down and out penetrate itself?


When bullets are pushed faster than designed they tend to explode and fragment on impact and fail to penetrate. I have seen this happen many times. Especially with bullets made for long range shooting and are fired at thick skinned game as close range.

IMHO, Brown Bear hunting is a close up hunt, quality bonded bullets fired repeatedly into the vitals.

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An 8mm 200 grain Partition or X bullet won't explode at 2900fps.

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Agreed. Using the correct bullet is key. If slower out penetrates faster wouldn't the faster bullet eventually slow down and out penetrate itself?


When bullets are pushed faster than designed they tend to explode and fragment on impact and fail to penetrate. I have seen this happen many times. Especially with bullets made for long range shooting and are fired at thick skinned game as close range.
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Yep, I have seen very few true bullet failures, more often than not the bullet is doing exactly what it was designed to do, the shooter made a selection error.


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Lhook, no because the faster bullet is smaller and lighter. It will be more effected by wind. Lose it's momentum faster, more likely to fragment, greater deflection, smaller wound channel ( after expansion), less stable, etc. Use a heavier bullet for better results and the .325 above 200 grains would be on the right track!

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Sollybug, I am referring to the same size and type of bullet, which I mistakenly thought you were too in your post.

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Originally Posted by sollybug
Lhook, no because the faster bullet is smaller and lighter. It will be more effected by wind. Lose it's momentum faster, more likely to fragment, greater deflection, smaller wound channel ( after expansion), less stable, etc. Use a heavier bullet for better results and the .325 above 200 grains would be on the right track!


By and large I'd agree with you. But I toyed around with the 160 grain TTSXs out of my 325 and was able to get them to 3100 fps. If the BC is true then it gets 19" of drop and 13" of wind drift. While I was only able to get the 200 grain AB to 2750 fps (mostly due to lose case capacity with being mag box restricted) which leads to 23" drop and the same 13". They both shoot the same around 1" sometimes better sometimes a about 1.25" but I think thats more attributed to me than the rifle laugh

Still trying to figure out which one to go with. The tinkering side of me wants to have the 160 TTSX for sheep and caribou and moose and 200 NPTs for bears which also shoot around 1". But the logical side of me says use the 200 NPTs for everything and rock on. laugh

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My Kimber Montana 325wsm with 180gr TSX @3100fps has done me well! This rifle has killed I think 7 caribou, 1 black bear, and maybe 5 whitetail deer. Not one bullet found. The black bear did run a little bit thinking 25yds. If I was taking this gun on a brown bear hunt it would be loaded with 200gr Swift A-Frames @ 2900fps or so... Have never hunted brown bear so this is just my opinion....


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I killed a 27 1/16" brown last year with a 250 Aframe from a 338 ultra. First shot took out both shoulders and was never found.Heavy is good.

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Originally Posted by Lhook7
If slower out penetrates faster wouldn't the faster bullet eventually slow down and out penetrate itself?



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Lhook, no because the faster bullet is smaller and lighter. It will be more effected by wind. Lose it's momentum faster, more likely to fragment, greater deflection, smaller wound channel ( after expansion), less stable, etc. Use a heavier bullet for better results and the .325 above 200 grains would be on the right track!


By and large I'd agree with you. But I toyed around with the 160 grain TTSXs out of my 325 and was able to get them to 3100 fps. If the BC is true then it gets 19" of drop and 13" of wind drift. While I was only able to get the 200 grain AB to 2750 fps (mostly due to lose case capacity with being mag box restricted) which leads to 23" drop and the same 13". They both shoot the same around 1" sometimes better sometimes a about 1.25" but I think thats more attributed to me than the rifle laugh

Still trying to figure out which one to go with. The tinkering side of me wants to have the 160 TTSX for sheep and caribou and moose and 200 NPTs for bears which also shoot around 1". But the logical side of me says use the 200 NPTs for everything and rock on. laugh


There is a lot of advantage to using one bullet weight but the 160 TTSX is such a great bullet. My Browning gets 3200fps with RL 17 and it shoot flat and maintains MOA to 500 yards on a still day. Great load! Took it caribou hunting last season but the caribou only come around when I have my 6.5 Rem Mag with me.

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Rem 700 BDL in 8mm Rem Mag with 200 gr Swift AFrame,
77 gr imr4350 3060 fps, 4156 ft lbs.....mo betta bear meds than the 325 WSM


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Thanks to 1SgtStephen I was able to get much more respectable numbers out of my rifle. Worked up to 65.5 grs of IMR4007SSC and wound up with velocities 2830-2870. Shooting new brass so was not expecting stellar small groups but put two rounds beside one another and I think I may have pulled the third round, or it may not be as accurate as first thought. Either way it's a good start.
Got the 250 Woodleighs just over 2600 with a heavy charge of imr7828ssc and did not see any signs of excess pressure. Not enough case capacity to fit anymore in there with that large of a bullet. Either way it's plenty fast for what I will be using it fo

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Originally Posted by hemi82
Thanks to 1SgtStephen I was able to get much more respectable numbers out of my rifle. Worked up to 65.5 grs of IMR4007SSC and wound up with velocities 2830-2870. Shooting new brass so was not expecting stellar small groups but put two rounds beside one another and I think I may have pulled the third round, or it may not be as accurate as first thought. Either way it's a good start.
Got the 250 Woodleighs just over 2600 with a heavy charge of imr7828ssc and did not see any signs of excess pressure. Not enough case capacity to fit anymore in there with that large of a bullet. Either way it's plenty fast for what I will be using it fo


Wishing the best of luck next fall. I will start developing loads for my Kimber Mountain Ascent 280AI next week. Always nice when you get a rig dialed in.

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I read this thread once in a while and always wonder how you ended up doing? I remember thinking each time that 325wsm is fine for Brown bear. Even a 250 grain Woodleigh at 2550. And with 220s often you may get 2800fps not 2900fps; maybe 2750. All would be good if you place the bullet well. I’m always reading posts on forums with folks getting all hung up on 100 FPS. Anyway, I know this is a necropost 7 years later.
But I’m always looking for an opportunity to drum up posts on an old thread about the 325wsm. I suppose I could just start a new one. 😂 lol

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After reading all the pages on the 325 the only load I'd use is the 250 Woodleigh,,, but that's just me. I own a 222 that has killed brown bears in the hands of Ole Wasentery of Kvichak fame many years ago. An old trapper on Kokhanok Bay had his trails lined with brown bears skulls,all taken with an 30-30!


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Not one mention of the best caliber (in my opinion). The 9.3x62, something about 286 grs. at 2600 to make a deep impression on Mr. Bad attitude. Tikka Forester and CZ 550 FS. My Sako 75 in 375 H&H works good to.
Recoil from a 9.3 is very manageable and my CZ holds 5 In the magazine.
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Not one mention of the best caliber (in my opinion). The 9.3x62, something about 286 grs. at 2600 to make a deep impression on Mr. Bad attitude. Tikka Forester and CZ 550 FS. My Sako 75 in 375 H&H works good to.
Recoil from a 9.3 is very manageable and my CZ holds 5 In the magazine.
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I wouldn't worry about it.

Of course, if you can handle it, some think bigger is better. These guys had the right idea along those lines.

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Where is that? There are some neat places on Kodiak and the small islands around. Fort Abercrombie has a demiled turret gun that I believe is bigger than that one.


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