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I think you're going to find that even 10k is a HUGE favor, when it's all said and done.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
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You can only price a scope of work. The problem with these kinds of projects is that you don't know the complete scope.
If you're into the bottom plates, you're into the subfloor.
Basing your expectations on just what you can see or with only minor surgical demo, you can expect that scope and repair costs will expand by 250%-300%.
You also get to spend the duration of the project in the role of bearer of bad news.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Is this a friend discount job or a friend you know it will be done right and not rip me off job?
Over estimate and then at end of job back off whatever you believe is fair.
Take into account ALL your time even if you aren't gonna charge him for it.
he is a good friend who is trying to get his daughter into her first house, he was my manager when I worked for oil states energy services. If he is that good a friend then he should just trust you to charge him appropriately at the end of the job. Id give him a range and tell him ill do my best to make it as cost efficient as possible without screwing either you or I.
"Maybe we're all happy."
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guess I'll have to feel him on what he can spend.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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Is this a friend discount job or a friend you know it will be done right and not rip me off job?
Over estimate and then at end of job back off whatever you believe is fair.
Take into account ALL your time even if you aren't gonna charge him for it.
he is a good friend who is trying to get his daughter into her first house, he was my manager when I worked for oil states energy services. If he is that good a friend then he should just trust you to charge him appropriately at the end of the job. Id give him a range and tell him ill do my best to make it as cost efficient as possible without screwing either you or I. that's probably what I'll have to do. just figure my time and labor once its done.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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You seem like a very honest guy stx one who trys hard to give the best value for your work. You know why I know this? Because your struggling enough with it to post your inner thoughts on here and solicit feedback from many that you dont even know personally.
"Maybe we're all happy."
"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."
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i'd probably come up with an hourly rate i could live with and bid it for 2 weeks plus materials. let him know that up front so he has an idea of what it could cost if schit goes sideways. termite work sucks. i had ants in my rim joists at camp when i tore of the deck for an "easy" replacement. i kept tearing schit out until i was afraid the front of the house was going to collapse. plywood floor was delaminated, sliding door had to be pulled out along with about a foot or so of floor that had god knows what kind of linoleum under wood under carpet. ended up sistering about 2 feet on every floor joist. what a fuggen bitch. replaced it all with PT and sprayed the living schit out of everything i could see with turbo ant killer. if i would have tried to bid that job, i'd a lost my ass.
My diploma is a DD214
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You seem like a very honest guy stx........... I doubt id trust anyone more on this forum. And I dont even know him. Hes always been honest about what hes been through, loved his mama when she passed, etc etc. The kinda guy that takes no schit, tells you how it is, take him or leave him.
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Assume you’ll be replacing damn near every stud.... because you will. Subfloors are likely too. For a friend, I’d give him a baseline for just replacing the beams and leveling. Let him know what you’ll charge for any extras that pop up. Realistically, I’d bet your labor doubles When you start digging in and it’ll still be a great deal for him. Contractors around here would start at $25k and by then end it would be almost cheaper to reinforce what you can, cut out the bad and totally rebuild. Bending over, working on my back or having the homeowner help doubles my price
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A good friend? He buys materials, pays me a wage. Just going to have to trust that my billing hours were working hours.
Fairest way to fly.
You could give him a loose number. But some hear that as set, some as the absolute max. No matter how you present it.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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I just try to treat people the way I'd like to be treated.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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A good friend? He buys materials, pays me a wage. Just going to have to trust that my billing hours were working hours.
Fairest way to fly.
You could give him a loose number. But some hear that as set, some as the absolute max. No matter how you present it. what I'm planning on doing.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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Assume you’ll be replacing damn near every stud.... because you will. Subfloors are likely too. For a friend, I’d give him a baseline for just replacing the beams and leveling. Let him know what you’ll charge for any extras that pop up. Realistically, I’d bet your labor doubles When you start digging in and it’ll still be a great deal for him. Contractors around here would start at $25k and by then end it would be almost cheaper to reinforce what you can, cut out the bad and totally rebuild. Bending over, working on my back or having the homeowner help doubles my price I doubt she paid much more than that for the house.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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He will be in town in a couple of days, I'm going to show him what he's looking at, I don't think he's seen it himself from our conversation, think i'll let him decide what extent he's willing to go to fix it after he's seen it..
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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