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If you are not familiar with the Tamir Rice incident, read up on it. Tell me that law enforcement delivered the best possible outcome. Tell me that a little more time and/or space couldn't have delivered a better outcome. When I was a kid I had a few contacts with LE when I was carrying a pellet gun or BB pistol. I never got shot.





Tamir Rice was straight up murder any way you slice it. The officer was released from another department for mental issues. Worst of the armed shoots in the bunch IMO.


No it wasn't murder. It was bad police tactics that led to a legally justifiable shooting. Had the officers taken better advantage of time, distance and cover, Tamir would be alive. Time, distance and cover can all buy better decisions.



Tamir would also be alive had he not made a furtive movement and reach for what any reasonable person would assume was a weapon either


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The fact someone is trying to compare being in the coast guard policing and an inner city cop being a policeman is laugh out loud funny. Talk about apples and oranges. Thanks needed the laugh this morning.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It showed a mildly resistive subject, an officers who could have put a better effort into deescalating and calming the subject.


Yep. The cops actually escalated the situation up until the point that what's his name murdered him.

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3X the 'lethal' dose of fentanyl is likely what killed him.

One thing is certain.......the liberal Democrat politicians in Minnesota will quickly label jurors as racists.......in an effort to keep their hands clean, when things start burning again.


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It showed a mildly resistive subject, an officers who could have put a better effort into deescalating and calming the subject.


Yep. The cops actually escalated the situation up until the point that what's his name murdered him.



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Originally Posted by irfubar
Antlers has amazing deductive reasoning skills and this is an example of his amazing talent...... for being wrong! hahahahhahahaha
Floyd passed a fake 20.

According to Forbes, Chauvin filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...sure-a-conviction-for-derek-chauvin/amp/

I stand by what I said on the matter. You disagree. Fine. No big deal. To me.


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Full-on panic attack exacerbated by drugs and pre-existing cardiac dysfunction.

Blood pressure skyrockets.

Drugs and panic response impair breathing.

Cardiac event results.





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Originally Posted by antlers
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Antlers has amazing deductive reasoning skills and this is an example of his amazing talent...... for being wrong! hahahahhahahaha
Floyd passed a fake 20.

According to Forbes, Chauvin filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...sure-a-conviction-for-derek-chauvin/amp/

I stand by what I said on the matter. You disagree. Fine. No big deal. To me.



The two are not related. Look up “causality.” You’ll find this:

Description: Causality is influence by which one event, process or state contributes to the production of another event, process or state where the cause is partly responsible for the effect, and the effect is partly dependent on the cause.

I’ll bet cops speed sometimes, too, but still pull people over.





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I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.


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Full-on panic attack exacerbated by drugs and pre-existing cardiac dysfunction.

Blood pressure skyrockets.

Drugs and panic response impair breathing.

Cardiac event results.





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This. Fentanyl is a monster. 3 times a normal dose and a strong desire not to go back to the jail cell....


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Originally Posted by antlers
I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.



Antler are you a Democrat? Sounds like it

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Originally Posted by antlers
I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.


That's not what happened...


Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Originally Posted by antlers
I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.



You’re absolutely right. When cops file fraudulent returns they always kneel on a Black man’s neck.

The two are clearly related.




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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
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I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.



You’re absolutely right. When cops file fraudulent returns they always kneel on a Black man’s neck.

The two are clearly related.




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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
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I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.
You’re absolutely right. When cops file fraudulent returns they always kneel on a Black man’s neck.

If that’s ‘your’ analogy, so be it.


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If you are not familiar with the Tamir Rice incident, read up on it. Tell me that law enforcement delivered the best possible outcome. Tell me that a little more time and/or space couldn't have delivered a better outcome. When I was a kid I had a few contacts with LE when I was carrying a pellet gun or BB pistol. I never got shot.





I don't know you from Adam, Paul. But based on your posts I am going to assume your LE experience with the Coast Guard was dealing with coworkers on a boat, or on base. Is that fairly accurate?


My LE experience comes with an asterisk. Coast Guard LE is a very different animal than street LE. It's a different environment, a different tactical field and an often different public. I am always very up front about that and quick to admit that street cops have a much tougher job. Now having said that, that doesn't mean that some of the training, tactics and constitutional law don't transfer reasonably well. I also earned my certification as a reserve deputy in Harrison County MS. I didn't have much experience with that before Katrina hit, and I ended up moving and changing jobs.

Having been trained by the country and the state of Mississippi and having cross trained with officers from all kinds of local, state and federal agencies, I can say that our training and our emphasis needs to change. Far, far more time is spent training on shooting, and on when shooting is legally justifiable, than on tactics and strategies that deliver non-lethal outcomes. I well remember the first time I read in our LE policy manual that a "retreat may be the best option in certain circumstances" I laughed. We all did. Machismo runs deep in our ranks. It almost has to.
But over time I saw that it could indeed be the best option in certain circumstances.

Wilson/Brown would have been a great time to use a tactical disengagement. An unarmed Brown had already tried to take Wilson's gun. We can draw two reasonable conclusions from that. Brown wasn't armed and he'd likely do it again. When Wilson immediately reengaged him, and did so without the benefit of the immediately available cover, he put himself in a situation in which he was all but guaranteed to have to shot an unarmed man.

Had he waited until back-up arrived and/or put his car between him and Brown, we may not have BLM today. But the shoot was legally justifiable, so it was the best outcome right?



That's a long long winded way to say "yes". You are putting yourself on the podium, using your experience as a resume to tell us all you know what you are talking about, and you're not just being emotional. But your experience doesn't correlate with any of the incidents you are pontificating on here about as an SME.


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I’m gonna manhandle you for passing a fake 20. Even though I’ve filed fraudulent tax returns for 6 consecutive years.

Sounds about right.


That's not what happened...



But that's the narrative. lol As the facts come out, and the real picture doesn't fit the painting they made on day one, they need to change the focus. Saint George wasn't "manhandled" for passing a forged currency, he could've simply went with the officers, got a ride in the car, and had his day in court. That it didn't go that way is solely on the dearly departed. Not holding people accountable for their actions is a large part of why this country is spiraling downward so fast. What the officer paid in taxes is so irrelevant to the topic at hand it's comically baffling.


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The fact someone is trying to compare being in the coast guard policing and an inner city cop being a policeman is laugh out loud funny. Talk about apples and oranges. Thanks needed the laugh this morning.


I have been very clear in stating that the tactics don't always translate. If I have made a specific comment with which you disagree, comment on that.

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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff

But that's the narrative. lol As the facts come out, and the real picture doesn't fit the painting they made on day one, they need to change the focus. Saint George wasn't "manhandled" for passing a forged currency, he could've simply went with the officers, got a ride in the car, and had his day in court. That it didn't go that way is solely on the dearly departed. Not holding people accountable for their actions is a large part of why this country is spiraling downward so fast. What the officer paid in taxes is so irrelevant to the topic at hand it's comically baffling.

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