large stores of NH3NO3 (tons and tons) are and have been for over 50 years kept in bulk at various fertilizer makers in US. Simplot in Idaho as an example although they are not in populated areas. .
It has been used in the coal industry for 50 years thru out Wyoming and Utah without this type of event. and there is nobody crazier than a bunch of drunken miners.(or pissed off miners).
It is stored in large 20000+ gallon liquid tank farms for liquid applications throughout the US
Under the proper conditions virtually everything can be considered an explosive.
lots of difference between low velocity propellants (AN) and high explosives (poly nitrated sugars and alcohol) 3000 fps, vs. 10,000 fps. While the initial shock wave causes the physical destruction, the vacuum created behind the blast is what kills humans. (lungs collapse etc)
Oils are added as the fuel source , the carbon source to make more CO2, which at the higher temp. , causes more "push" just like a diesel engine.
Lots of differences also between peroxide explosives (ketones and acetone mixtures)
target shooting fires in west are due to the micronization of grass and brush and simultaneous combination of oxygen from the Tannerite (which has been sensitized with an Al coating) then a spark from green tip 5.56 and a piece of local granite, or steel target. although the Tannerite itself will decompose from the impact shock
as Bristoe mentioned AL can be explosive in the wrong physical state.,,, powdered AL is used in flash grenades. As well as powered sodium, magnesium, and others the only thing needed is the addition of an oxidizer.
An interesting afternoon is to sit on top of Little Mtn. south of Tooele Ut., and watch the Army do demolitions on surplus stock. Anywhere to 1000 lbs to 5000 lbs. 5 to 10 mins apart
McVay used AN mixed with nitro methane and it was ignited with commercial blasting explosives which was started with blasting caps. Nitro methane gives a big power bump over simple diesel.
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Do you have a link to where he used nitro methane, every place I have looked said diesel.
The first part of this video (after the advert) shows warheads exploding and explains deflagration and vapor rings associated with Octagen HMZX rocket fuel.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
They have already produced documentation and tracking on 2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate over a 7 year period.
But some folks gotta invent the most complicated conspiracy when human greed and incompetence provide all the explanation needed.
Sometimes the simple answer actually is the best. Even if it is no fun.
And it is not like we have not seen this exact same type of explosion in the past, more than once, produced solely from AN.
Exactly.
I'm as much of a "conspiracy theorist" as anyone (some conspiracies are pretty obvious and well documented...it's hard to ignore!), but not EVERYTHING is a "conspiracy". Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Does anybody know if ammonium nitrate is really that explosive.
Everything written about this sounds like ANFO.
This was fertilizer. Only. No fuel.
And as Joken and Tarquin post, ANFO isn't all that easy to detonate... .
Amonium nitrate(AN) can auto ignite if storage meets/ reaches certain conditions. (where it goes through thermal decomposition)
With 'Anfo' you require the correct fuel oil/ granule ratio (by weight) , then mix it to ensure fuel oil is properly dispersed.. there are additives one can use to ensure a more even consistent dispersion/absorption of FO.
Anfo is porous and a combo of higher porosity and smaller size prills will deliver higher VOD, but porosity makes it prone to moisture absorption. booster Additives can be used to coat the prills to resist such absorption.
Of course peabrains with zero experience will jump to conspiracy theories before understanding the chemical science of AN...😂
[btw:] the post by - Daveinjax - makes sound logical sense.. 👍 👍 👍
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It was a favorite of the IRA way back when. Quite a few of those people blew themselves up messing with it...
You will find they didn't just employ anfo, but included a variety of H.E. explosive ingredients in their IED formulations.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Dan, I DID fire a few way high into the sky to see how far they'd go into Cambodia - and never saw them hit.
One of our snakes did the same over Hamburger Hill, pointed in the general direction of Laos. Didn’t see them hit, but a couple weeks later we received a protest thru channels from the US Embassy. They were sniveling about some pigs that were killed for no reason. Their coordinates were consistent with what that sneaky snake did.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
This is the link to story about McVay http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/raisethefist/archive/worldnetdaily.com-2001-05-25.html
I have copy of the truck bomb layout. They also reenforced 3 sides of the truck with metal to make a direction forced blast.
All without any outside expert help........ I just happened to start re-reading "Others Unknown" By McVeigh's attorney, Stephen Jones a couple days before this. Some pretty serious allegations.
As soon as this hit the news feeds, I said that the Israelis got really pissed off about something. I'm betting I was right.
I am pretty sure the Israelis just flip a coin when they are sitting down to their morning Wheaties, also pretty sure they don't need much of a flip to come down on the "bomb 'em" side.
Which is fair as the other lot are even more inclined to throw stuff at the Jews.
Back in the day (way, way back....) my younger brother and I took a 5 gallon bucket of ammonium nitrate from the fertilizer pile. Soaked it in diesel, made a pipe bomb using black powder and cannon fuse---and blew diesel and ammonium nitrate all over tarnation, but could not get ignition. Apparenlty you need the kind of percussion you get from a blasting cap to ingnite the stuff and blasting caps were waaaay beyond our ken.
Stack of primer pellets?
-OMotS
"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay "
Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
That article tries to put the focus on a Russian guy who just tried to cheap his way into shipping fertilizer to Mozambique.
Like its his fault it sat there for 7 years. They unloaded off of the ship. The ship didn't blow up (it actually sank in the harbor a couple of years after it was impounded).
Whatever their justification, they *wanted* that fertilizer, and I suspect he just gave up after losing his ass and wasn't about to pay their fines to get it back.
Yeah they blame the ships condition, but who hires a ship and inspects it unless they have crazy lawyers driving them to, or have had a bad experience before..
I did see a movie (French?) About leasing a decrepit Russian sub to look for treasure.. But that was just a movie...
-OMotS
"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay "
Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
