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I have a "spare" 223 I want to do something with. What are your thoughts on each caliber? Need to keep current boltface... Bolt action rifle 20" Barrel 1:9 Twist 50, 52 grain bullets for speed...
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.223AI...if for no other reason than the brass is always available....
I fear many new cartridge introductions won't last long.....and if they do, who besides Nosler is making brass for the .22 Nosler?
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223 AI if you want something different or leave as is.
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223 AI if you want something different or leave as is. Yea I'm thinking something different. Leaning towards the AI...
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Many,many BAD reports on the 22 Nosler brass (very soft), go 223, 223AI or my fav 222
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Many,many BAD reports on the 22 Nosler brass (very soft), go 223, 223AI or my fav 222 yes I'm reading that as well. I have Howa in a 222 and love it, super accurate! was just looking for a little more speed. So AI may be the solution.
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Does it need to be a .22 caliber?
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Does it need to be a .22 caliber? Kinda want to stay with current action and barrel..
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your barrel is to short to see much improvement
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I’ve a well used Sako L461 that the original barrel in 223 finally gave up the ghost. I picked this up at the local Cabela’s about 5 years ago for a song as it had been restocked at some point in its life, but the job was excellent. Anyway, I strongly considered the 22 Nosler as the L461 is the consummate action for the 223 family of cartridges. Sadly, it’s just fat enough that it wouldn’t reliably feed out of the magazines so it remains a 223. I’ve done the 223 AI route and didn’t get much improvement in velocity - not worth it IMHO. Besides, much of the allure of the 223 is brass can be had at $40 per 1k around here.
You didn’t specify what action you have, but that’s something to consider. If you’re staying 22 cal, have you considered the 222 Magnum? It’s definitely “something different”. If you haven’t a 204 Ruger; I second VGs recommendation. That may be my current favorite varmint round these days!
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I have a "spare" 223 I want to do something with. What are your thoughts on each caliber? Need to keep current boltface... Bolt action rifle 20" Barrel 1:9 Twist 50, 52 grain bullets for speed... Just leave it as is, the small gain achieved by the AI version hardly is worth the effort. Nothing better than having duplicate rifles and loads to take to the PD field, if that is the goal, or even just plinking - there is a lot to be said for having rifles using cartridges with the same trajectory, etc. I have shot the 223 for decades using a 40 gr bullet at 3750 fps and drop and drift are pretty much a non-concern because I am so familiar with them. If you truly just want to build one or the other though then go with the 223AI because of the ability to fire non-AI ammunition in it, and the availability of good inexpensive brass. drover
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Just leave it as is, the small gain achieved by the AI version hardly is worth the effort. Nothing better than having duplicate rifles and loads to take to the PD field, if that is the goal, or even just plinking -
If you truly just want to build one or the other though then go with the 223AI because of the ability to fire non-AI ammunition in it, and the availability of good inexpensive brass.
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I have found all of this to be exactly spot-on. I would never AI another .223...just cant see the difference in performance...though Im still using my last one.....but will not rechamber its next barrel to AI...
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Just leave it as is, the small gain achieved by the AI version hardly is worth the effort. Nothing better than having duplicate rifles and loads to take to the PD field, if that is the goal, or even just plinking -
If you truly just want to build one or the other though then go with the 223AI because of the ability to fire non-AI ammunition in it, and the availability of good inexpensive brass.
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I have found all of this to be exactly spot-on. I would never AI another .223...just cant see the difference in performance...though Im still using my last one.....but will not rechamber its next barrel to AI... Stick w vanilla 223?
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I’ve a well used Sako L461 that the original barrel in 223 finally gave up the ghost. I picked this up at the local Cabela’s about 5 years ago for a song as it had been restocked at some point in its life, but the job was excellent. Anyway, I strongly considered the 22 Nosler as the L461 is the consummate action for the 223 family of cartridges. Sadly, it’s just fat enough that it wouldn’t reliably feed out of the magazines so it remains a 223. I’ve done the 223 AI route and didn’t get much improvement in velocity - not worth it IMHO. Besides, much of the allure of the 223 is brass can be had at $40 per 1k around here.
You didn’t specify what action you have, but that’s something to consider. If you’re staying 22 cal, have you considered the 222 Magnum? It’s definitely “something different”. If you haven’t a 204 Ruger; I second VGs recommendation. That may be my current favorite varmint round these days! Its a Howa Mini Action I have one in 204 and 222 also. I thought about taking the 222 to 222 mag but it shoots so good as is I hate to mess with it. Problem is I just have too much time on my hands right now.
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I like the idea of a 22-204, how available are dies?
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Just leave it as is, the small gain achieved by the AI version hardly is worth the effort. Nothing better than having duplicate rifles and loads to take to the PD field, if that is the goal, or even just plinking -
If you truly just want to build one or the other though then go with the 223AI because of the ability to fire non-AI ammunition in it, and the availability of good inexpensive brass.
drover
I have found all of this to be exactly spot-on. I would never AI another .223...just cant see the difference in performance...though Im still using my last one.....but will not rechamber its next barrel to AI... Stick w vanilla 223? Yup...or even step down to a .222...I LOVE the one Ive got...
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Do a search on here for username Erich. He has some stuff based on 204 case.22-25 caliber.
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