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Is there a downside to using a big bench vice (with appropriate hardwood barrel clamp adapter) v. s. a commercial barrel vice?
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Excellent question... But I would bet that a LOT more pressure can be applied via the barrel vise than any bench vise... I know that's the case with mine.
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Right up to the point you try to wrench off a Mauser, Springfield, or other recalcitrant milsurp barrel that's been frozen in time for 100 years!
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Anything is worth a try when you are on a budget. But consider that screw thread clamping force as the engineering calculator you are using here. As an example, let's say your vise has a 1'' acme thread, it's made in the US and you can safely put a 100 ft lbs of torque on it, the thread is well lubed, the vise ways are well lubed...on the best day you will get around 3.8 tons of clamping force. But, unfortunately that is an optimistic number because of friction losses with the jaws 4" or so away from the screw. And anyway 4 tons ain't enough.
I personally am not all that impressed with the commercial vises available either, they depending on more clamping bolts but of a smaller size, gaining very little actual force.
For about the same or less dollars you can get into a cheap hydraulic jack press, that is the end all, be all of the barrel clamping world. If you are a hobby welder, you can build a dandy out of the scrap pile. Then you can tackle whatever comes along, money or effort well spent.
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Right up to the point you try to wrench off a Mauser, Springfield, or other recalcitrant milsurp barrel that's been frozen in time for 100 years! If you aren't reusing the barrel, a 24 inch pipe wrench works wonders.
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I made mine out of two pieces of 1 1/2 solid steel square stock. Drilled and tapped 3/4-16 thread installed grade 8 stud bolts. I used grade 8 flange nuts Clamped it together set it up and bored an 1 1/2 hole through the center. I make split bushing the correct size for the different barrels. Coat them with powdered sugar. Clamp the barrel down put my action wrench on. And take them apart or put them together. Never have had an issue taking one apart including Remington 700’s.
I also made it so I could clamp it to my Bridgeport mill table..
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I've got a barrel vice...I kept buying new take offs, thinking I'll build something on them later...
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what flinlocke said.
Being short on money at the time- but with a welder, I made my own out of steel channel, re-inforced somewhat. And a small 6 ton hydraulic jack...
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Anything is worth a try when you are on a budget. But consider that screw thread clamping force as the engineering calculator you are using here. As an example, let's say your vise has a 1'' acme thread, it's made in the US and you can safely put a 100 ft lbs of torque on it, the thread is well lubed, the vise ways are well lubed...on the best day you will get around 3.8 tons of clamping force. But, unfortunately that is an optimistic number because of friction losses with the jaws 4" or so away from the screw. And anyway 4 tons ain't enough.
I personally am not all that impressed with the commercial vises available either, they depending on more clamping bolts but of a smaller size, gaining very little actual force.
For about the same or less dollars you can get into a cheap hydraulic jack press, that is the end all, be all of the barrel clamping world. If you are a hobby welder, you can build a dandy out of the scrap pile. Then you can tackle whatever comes along, money or effort well spent. Thanks for your input. You make a convincing argument. I remembered that Harbor Freight sells a bench top 6 ton hydraulic press. Upon a quick search, It is slightly less money than a barrel vice but the reviews are mediocre at best. A Wheeler or Brownell barrel vice is now on the to-buy list.
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Excellent question... But I would bet that a LOT more pressure can be applied via the barrel vise than any bench vise... I know that's the case with mine. This (above).. Also - a Barrel vise is made so you can clamp down very very close to the barrel / action interface to avoid twisting the action. To get a bench vise clamped down like that you’d have to have the barrel vertical, and off center which doesn’t enable you to get a good bite without having uneven pressure because you are clamping down off center.
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Here is my simple barrel tool with dimensions that anyone can make. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/1RVct8WM/barrelvise.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/KYsBcbBd/mausertool.jpg)
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Barrel vises are not that expensive ... the action wrench is actually more important IMHO. the Viper vise is what I recommend to folks for switch barrel applications where you don’t need a huge amount of torque like you do on factory or old military rifles. https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Viper-Barrel-Vise/T10818 In general a action wrench and a vise like this is fine for really light work, other than that the Brownells vise & action wrench are the way to go.
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I've been looking at this one for a while now- eventually I will break down and buy it...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BARREL-VISE-W-5-INSERTS-GUNSMITH-REMINGTON-700/372596121828?hash=item56c075a0e4:g:Ni4AAOSw5GZbQYT9
The more important question to me is what is the best action wrench to use ? Especially to try to eliminate damage to the action or damage to the finish of the action exterior.... the same guy who makes the vise I linked above also makes an action wrench, but the ones I've heard about using especially on Rem 700's are the units that slip into the bolt rails and C lugs....
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I use a hydraulic press that I designed, using 4x4 oak block with rosin, never had a barrel slip, never
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Action-Wrench-Remington-700-MADE-IN-USA/143617303522?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
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