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Originally Posted by RayF
Matthew (5:10-12)

“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.“


Christians are proud bigots but like
to claim victim status.... Tff.

Can you tell us who wrote the (4) gospels.


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Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
America began as a Judeo Christian country....

.......

The Judeo Christian values that are slipping away gave our country internal morals..


Native Indians signed agreements that were dishonored
by underhanded christians,
the 'good' Christians didn't mind so much
coz the Gov was giving them the lands
Indians were forced off.

When early bible thumping colonists were starving
to death, it wasnt the hand of a Judeo christian God
from the clouds that saved them. But the care and
generosity of those' heathen' Indians that put food
in their mouths.

and let's face it Christianity went from being
a middle eastern cult of little significance
until it hitched a ride with the Power and reach
of an Empire becoming a tyrannical state religion.


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Originally Posted by antlers
It’s OK with me for atheists to be atheists. But it’s ‘not’ OK with some of them for believers to be believers. There’s no reciprocity on their part. It’s not good enough for them to not be believers themselves...they don’t want other’s to be believers either. They get SO bothered that believers ‘are’ believers. They can’t stand it. And instead of being honest and admitting that real and clear truth of the matter, they put on the protective camouflage of “questioning assumptions and beliefs” when they aren’t the least bit interested in looking for the answer.

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It's all so simple. John 3:16


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Originally Posted by antlers
Iatheists...instead of being honest and admitting that real and clear truth of the matter, they put on the protective camouflage .



Regarding whats real, honest and truthful
#1 top of the list
Jesus doesn't meet the O.T. messianic criteria.
but instead of camouflage, believers just bury
their heads in the sand.

All the bluff, denial, deflection, smoke and mirrors
& whatever other "piss everywhere but in the bowl"
approach doesn't change that Biblical fact and truth.

Christians being snookered by their own Bible.
- that must be hard to take.


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by antlers
Iatheists...instead of being honest and admitting that real and clear truth of the matter, they put on the protective camouflage .



Regarding whats real, honest and truthful
#1
Jesus doesn't meet the O.T. messianic criteria.
but instead of camoflage, believers just bury
their heads in the sand.

All the bluff, denial, deflection, smoke and mirrors
& hatever other "piss everywhere but in the bowl"
approach doesn't change that Biblical fact and truth.






If you aren’t the litmus test for stupidity. You will argue to the death, denying the existence of God. Your propaganda is on the verge of what the DNC uses as a model for not getting anything accomplished.


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I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Originally Posted by HitnRun

. You will argue to the death, denying the existence of God.


Where have I argued the case for the non-existence
of a Supreme Being.?


Originally Posted by HitnRun
Your propaganda...


The Old Testment is my word of God
source,.. is that considered propaganda?





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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
America began as a Judeo Christian country....

.......

The Judeo Christian values that are slipping away gave our country internal morals..


Native Indians signed agreements that were dishonored
by underhanded christians,
the 'good' Christians didn't mind so much
coz the Gov was giving them the lands
Indians were forced off.

When early bible thumping colonists were starving
to death, it wasnt the hand of a Judeo christian God
from the clouds that saved them. But the care and
generosity of those' heathen' Indians that put food
in their mouths.

...


Sadly you'll never get a response to this - it's an ugly truth that Christians don't want to know about, and is part of the ongoing deceit that goes along with their beliefs.

And Antlers will come alone and make a swipe at your character, just because you stated a fact that he is threatened by - it's easier than addressing the issue.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?
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We've had two thousand years of convenient
gloss over BS and perpetuated mythology,
dont expect Christianty to give up on that
approach anytime soon... it's an ingrained
habitual practice.

Whatever skerrick of truth may exist about
a Jesus is buried and smothered so deep
in brainwashing theistic marketing junk.

Mankind has for several millenia built up
fantasies to make him feel safe and secure.
Man's forefathers were satisfied to have
deities, in the simple more tangible form
Sun, Earth, Wind, Fire, Water, etc.. Then
sales merchant God botherers came along
telling them they need something different.


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Little children get raped, tortured, murdered everyday and no higher power stops it. Please explain this in a way that I can grasp, and I'll believe again.


I guess you've been getting away with it! Maybe God is giving you an opportunity to change


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Originally Posted by RayF


I shared my observations and opinion on this topic. DBT, mauser and you disagreed. What possible
good would come from my attempting to force or trick you into believing God’s word or actions?
.


You are not trying to trick....you are just mistaken about the nature of bible prophesy. Bible prophesy takes a lot of creative interpretation, and even then there are clear examples of failed prophesy. If it was Divine Revelation, there should be no errors or failures.

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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by DBT
....all the while pretending it's the other poster who is angry...
Oh my.......project much???
Originally Posted by DBT
...and belligerent.
Another ‘attack’ word from you. shocker


You have no rational argument to offer?

You cannot answer a simple question?


Here it is again:
Can you provide an argument for the validity of faith as a means to truth when faith based religions have contradicting versions of God or gods, ie, Brahman, Allah, Yahweh?

Can you do that....or are you going to say that it's an 'angry question?

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The Bible is the living word, full of prophecy and divine revelation (much of which has been fulfilled and much much much MUCH more to come). Prophecies written thousands of years ago have come true.

It was prophetized in Isaiah 11:11-12 and Ezekiel 36:24-28 that Israel would become a nation again. It happened in 1948.

Micah 5:2 said Jesus would be born in Bethlehem. Zechariah 9:9 said Jesus would ride a donkey into Jerusalem.

Isaiah 53 said Jesus would die for our sins. Daniel 9:25-27 said Jesus would come before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Isaiah 49:6 said Jesus would be a light to the gentiles. Isaiah 53:3 said Jesus would be born, rejected, and pay for all our sins.

Isaiah was written between 739 and 681 BC, so God told Isaiah hundreds of years before Jesus was born that Jesus would be born.

There were over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrection of Jesus. Both Jewish and Roman historians mentioned Jesus and verified many parts of the New Testament.

Jesus fulfilled the prophecies in the Hebrew scripture. Everything the Bible says has happened and will happen (read Revelation) and is the living, eternal Word of God.

Jesus will return again!! John 14:3

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For a start, we don't have 500 independent eyewitness accounts of the life and death of Jesus....only the words in the gospels, the earliest of which was penned decades after the described events, with copying by the others. Nor does Jesus meet the OT definition of their prophesied Messiah.

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Sheesh, dbt. The Good News has been travelling over the earth for over 2000 years and satans men in greater numbers than you and your fire cohorts have not been able to squelch the Truth with murder and mayhem yet satan drives you to not give up the useless fight that any idiot could logically see will never succeed in its devilish desire.

Like a dog you get nothing for howling at the siren of the ambulance other than the satisfaction of your voice and are too stupid to have the sense to know your scratching and howling are not heeded and are in vain with those whose eyes and ears see and hear.

Like a moth trying to put out a flame. Unreal.

No more than anyone can convince you that the sunrises and sunsets youve seen are unreal can you can convince us the Son we've seen is unreal.

Even if you were to be right, your antics are ineffective.

Me thinks you dont give a dayom about us believers, but that your misery wants company.

You are the one who doesnt want to go into your unkown alone.

Dont worry about me, you will have plenty of company.

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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Originally Posted by DBT
For a start, we don't have 500 independent eyewitness accounts of the life and death of Jesus....only the words in the gospels, the earliest of which was penned decades after the described events, with copying by the others. Nor does Jesus meet the OT definition of their prophesied Messiah.


You really are dense. Try to grasp this concept of truth: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Even if you try to memorise that, you will have forgotten it by tomorrow.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Sheesh, dbt. The Good News has been travelling over the earth for over 2000 years and satans men in greater numbers than you and your fire cohorts have not been able to squelch the Truth with murder and mayhem yet satan drives you to not give up the useless fight that any idiot could logically see will never succeed in its devilish desire.

Like a dog you get nothing for howling at the siren of the ambulance other than the satisfaction of your voice and are too stupid to have the sense to know your scratching and howling are not heeded and are in vain with those whose eyes and ears see and hear.

Like a moth trying to put out a flame. Unreal.

No more than anyone can convince you that the sunrises and sunsets youve seen are unreal can you can convince us the Son we've seen is unreal.

Even if you were to be right, your antics are ineffective.

Me thinks you dont give a dayom about us believers, but that your misery wants company.

You are the one who doesnt want to go into your unkown alone.

Dont worry about me, you will have plenty of company.


It's not about me. It's about history. History tells us that the earliest Gospel, Mark, was most probably written four decades after the described events, that the authorship of the gospels has not been established, that there was copying, that the primary source of information about Jesus comes from the gospels, that Paul did not know Jesus the man, that he was not aware of some of the information about Jesus found in the later gospels, etc.

I am not making this up. This is what the research tells us.

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Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by WhiteTail48

There were over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrection of Jesus.

For a start, we don't have 500 independent eyewitness accounts.. .


We don't even have 500 names, no 500 written depositions..and no chance of witness examination.

Christians ridecule Bigfoot believers and living eyewitnesses, but easily bruise if you question
2000 yr old hand me down extraordinary tales
recorded by unknown authors.

One can't expect much more from those that
willing downgraded their human brain to the
level of a cloned sheep's brain.

Originally Posted by RayF
.. What possiblegood would come
from my attempting to force or trick you into
believing God’s word or actions?
.


Your God is a trickster by proxy and it brought
pain and misery on mankind.

Its not like Adam stumbled along and made
a mistake by chance, your God set him up.






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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by DBT
For a start, we don't have 500 independent eyewitness accounts of the life and death of Jesus....only the words in the gospels, the earliest of which was penned decades after the described events, with copying by the others. Nor does Jesus meet the OT definition of their prophesied Messiah.


You really are dense. Try to grasp this concept of truth: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Even if you try to memorise that, you will have forgotten it by tomorrow.



It's quite clear who is dense. Just look in the mirror. How many times does it need repeating that absence of evidence where evidence should be found is in fact evidence for absence.

Why do you persistently leave out the critical bit? Once again; absence of evidence where evidence should be found - absence of evidence where evidence should be found - absence of evidence where evidence should be found - absence of evidence where evidence should be found is evidence for absence......do you get it?

You remember parking your car in the garage, but upon looking in the garage, there is no car. The absence of evidence for the presence of a car in your garage is evidence of absence.....there is no car in your garage.

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Originally Posted by WhiteTail48


Isaiah 53 said Jesus would die for our sins. Daniel 9:25-27 said Jesus would come before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Isaiah 49:6 said Jesus would be a light to the gentiles. Isaiah 53:3 said Jesus would be born, rejected, and pay for all our sins.

Isaiah was written between 739 and 681 BC, so God told Isaiah hundreds of years before Jesus was born that Jesus would be born.


Well there's another problem. Neither Daniel or Isaiah mention 'Jesus' - nor does Jesus meet the criteria for the Messiah as described in the OT....the very reason why Judaism rejects Jesus as their prophesied Messiah. The Jews still wait for the coming of their prophesied Messiah

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