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Re: 35 Remington [Re: SCGunNut] #15181778 08/30/20
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Thats the rifle I wanted LOL

But they be pricey and my bud picked up 3 older 760 in .35 rem so I snagged the ADL off him.

I might upgrade to a Grice one of these days.

COOL RIFLE! smile

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Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15181791 08/30/20
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Yeah, I like the .35 rem a lot.
Boom and not Ka Rack!

Easy on shoulder, hard on deer.
Woodlots w some fields, our little thicket is a 150 and in kinda thing, most 50 and in (creekbottom).

760/7600 ..........they're like a magic wand in the deer woods.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: WFR] #15183041 08/31/20
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One load that has shown great promise in the 30-30 is the Hornady 140 ftx bullet. These actually chronograph around 2500 fps in my 30-30 rifles. I have killed one big sow at about 125 yards,dead right there with a big exit wound. She probably weighed 180 pounds. Have also killed several hogs at close range in traps with the 140 ftx,all instant kills with exits.

Maybe my bad experience with the 30-30 was a fluke,maybe the fast Hornady loads with the 140 ftx are a game changer for the 30-30.

Do you mean 160 FTX or 140 MonoFlex?
Hornady .30-30 loads

Let me know as I'd like to order some to try.
Thanks in advance for your research!
WFR




Sorry about any confusion. I have only used the 140 grain mono bullet.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: ruraldoc] #15183159 08/31/20
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Originally Posted by ruraldoc
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Sorry about any confusion. I have only used the 140 grain mono bullet.

No problem Doc! I will find some of those 140’s and give them a shot.
Pretty well set on .35 ammo for a while.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: Yukoner] #15183212 08/31/20
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[quote=ruraldoc] ..... Regarding penetration there is a youtube video out there you might find intersting. It's .30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 win mag. on gallon milk jugs full of water. The .30-30 loaded with 170 core lokts and the .308, .30-06 and .300 loaded with 180 grain power points. Long story short the .30-30 wins by a considerable margin. The 170 core lokt being recovered, nicely mushroomed from jug # 7 while none of the others make it past jug # 4.


I demonstrated the exact same result showing the 303 British with 180 bullets at 2400+ caught in the seventh jug, compared to the 300 WSM 180 gr factory ammo, in the fourth. The guy with the 300 was astonished, and asked why anyone bothers with the mags.

Ted

So is it the extra velocity that tears up the C&C bullets and reduces penetration?

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Re: 35 Remington [Re: SuperCub] #15183264 08/31/20
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[quote=ruraldoc] ..... Regarding penetration there is a youtube video out there you might find intersting. It's .30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 win mag. on gallon milk jugs full of water. The .30-30 loaded with 170 core lokts and the .308, .30-06 and .300 loaded with 180 grain power points. Long story short the .30-30 wins by a considerable margin. The 170 core lokt being recovered, nicely mushroomed from jug # 7 while none of the others make it past jug # 4.


I demonstrated the exact same result showing the 303 British with 180 bullets at 2400+ caught in the seventh jug, compared to the 300 WSM 180 gr factory ammo, in the fourth. The guy with the 300 was astonished, and asked why anyone bothers with the mags.

Ted

So is it the extra velocity that tears up the C&C bullets and reduces penetration?




Yes,in general with relatively fragile cup in core bullets, there is an optimal velocity for penetration that tends to favor mild cartridges like 303 British or a 7x57 as opposed to Magnum impact velocities.

But things can change with premium bullets, Monolthic bullets tend to penetrate more as velocity increases, Partitions can do the same thing.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: ruraldoc] #15183297 08/31/20
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Two factors limit penetration in very high velocity impacts with cup in core bullets. First,penetration is a function of momentum and bullets lose momentum as they shed mass.

Second,cup in core bullets tend to expand to very large frontal areas which creates more friction and limits penetration.

In a monolithic bullet,mass loss is very limited,and the frontal area may get smaller as the bullet continues to expand. The net result is that penetration can increase with velocity because they maintain their momentum and have smaller frontal areas that penetrate with less friction.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: ruraldoc] #15183339 08/31/20
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The other side of the coin is that cup in core bullets may kill faster precisely because they lose mass and expand with large frontal areas that limit penetration.

Assuming that they penetrate enough to reach vital organs,the loss of mass creates secondary wounding and the large frontal area allows for very rapid energy transfer. These two effects incease the volume of the wound channel even if the length of the wound channel is smaller.

If you shoot the same bullet in a 7x57 and a 7mm Magnum,the Magnum cartridge may be going 500 fps faster at impact. The 7x57 may produce the longer wound channel,but the 7mm Magnum will produce the wound channel with the greatest volume.

So depending upon circumstances,either cartridge may be the quickest killer,but generally speaking the biggest(largest volume) would channel kills the quickest.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15183348 08/31/20
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My dad wasn't a gun nut like me. He owned just two rifles. One was a Rem 760 and the other was a Marlin 336RC. Both were 35 Rem. I couldn't count how many deer he killed with those two, in the NY Catskills and Adirondacks, along with two bears. I have them both now.


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Re: 35 Remington [Re: ruraldoc] #15183536 08/31/20
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Originally Posted by ruraldoc
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Originally Posted by Yukoner
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[quote=ruraldoc] ..... Regarding penetration there is a youtube video out there you might find intersting. It's .30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 win mag. on gallon milk jugs full of water. The .30-30 loaded with 170 core lokts and the .308, .30-06 and .300 loaded with 180 grain power points. Long story short the .30-30 wins by a considerable margin. The 170 core lokt being recovered, nicely mushroomed from jug # 7 while none of the others make it past jug # 4.


I demonstrated the exact same result showing the 303 British with 180 bullets at 2400+ caught in the seventh jug, compared to the 300 WSM 180 gr factory ammo, in the fourth. The guy with the 300 was astonished, and asked why anyone bothers with the mags.

Ted

So is it the extra velocity that tears up the C&C bullets and reduces penetration?




Yes,in general with relatively fragile cup in core bullets, there is an optimal velocity for penetration that tends to favor mild cartridges like 303 British or a 7x57 as opposed to Magnum impact velocities.

But things can change with premium bullets, Monolthic bullets tend to penetrate more as velocity increases, Partitions can do the same thing.
All true but you've got plenty of penetration and wound volume for deer with standard 170 grain bullets out of a .30-30 at any normal woods ranges. I have shot very nearly lengthwise through big whitetails with both 170 grain core lokts and power shoks. I have yet to recover one from a broadside or nearly broadside shot and have gone through both shoulders on numerous occasions. After killing more than 80 deer with cup/core bullets out of my .30-30's with no failures and no abnormally long blood trails to follow, I'm not going to be switching to mono's anytime soon.

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Re: 35 Remington [Re: Blackheart] #15183627 08/31/20
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70 dead deer can't be wrong. It obviously works for you. I am interested in the 140 grain Hornady Mono bullet for the 30-30 because it chronographed 2600 fps in one of my Marlins with a 20 inch barrel. It chronographed 2480 fps in a Marlin with a 16.5 inch barrel.

I have shot several hogs with this bullet,large and small and it has been a very quick killer.

The thing that I like about it is that it shoots as flat as a lot of 308 loads. I think it makes a Marlin 30-30 good to at least 250 yards,maybe 300.

The ability to take a Marlin out of the woods and into open country is pretty interesting to me. It pretty much turns a Marlin 30-30 into a 300 Savage equivalent. which is pretty good company.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15183631 08/31/20
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I use the 160 grain FTX in a 300 savage.

I have repeatedly dispatched cow elk at 300to 400 yards. I imagine the velocities these bullets had would be similar to a 30/30 at 75 yards maybe even 100 yards. The Hornady FTX is truly a " game changer" in my mind for the 30/30 and 300 savage. I use leverever lotion powder for my reloads.


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Re: 35 Remington [Re: ruraldoc] #15183811 08/31/20
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Originally Posted by ruraldoc

70 dead deer can't be wrong. It obviously works for you. I am interested in the 140 grain Hornady Mono bullet for the 30-30 because it chronographed 2600 fps in one of my Marlins with a 20 inch barrel. It chronographed 2480 fps in a Marlin with a 16.5 inch barrel.

I have shot several hogs with this bullet,large and small and it has been a very quick killer.

The thing that I like about it is that it shoots as flat as a lot of 308 loads. I think it makes a Marlin 30-30 good to at least 250 yards,maybe 300.

The ability to take a Marlin out of the woods and into open country is pretty interesting to me. It pretty much turns a Marlin 30-30 into a 300 Savage equivalent. which is pretty good company.



Those are impressive velocities for a .30-30. I might give it a try if I was hunting more open country. For where I hunt the old round nose stuff works fine.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15184577 08/31/20
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35 Rem MGM 20" stainless barrel, Hornady Leverevolution ammo. I wish I still had that barrel.

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Re: 35 Remington [Re: Dinny] #15184632 08/31/20
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Dinny, that M70 custom build sounds interesting, keep us posted when its finished. Pictures also please.

Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15204136 09/07/20
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My first new rifle was a Marlin 336C about 1981, and I wanted the 35 Rem but lived on the West Coast so no 35 Rem rifles and virtually no ammo to buy. Went with 30-30 which has been reincarnated as a 35/30.


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Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15205066 09/08/20
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Friend of mine is thinking seriously about having one of his 94s rebored and chambered to 35 on the 30-30 case.

Any trouble getting it to feed?

Ted

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Originally Posted by Yukoner
Friend of mine is thinking seriously about having one of his 94s rebored and chambered to 35 on the 30-30 case.

Any trouble getting it to feed?

Ted
Nope


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Re: 35 Remington [Re: smallfry] #15212176 09/10/20
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i have shot more deer with a 35 than any other cartridge. i have all the pumps remington ever made in 35 and quite a few marlin models. i love the old 35. never had a deer go far after hitting them with a 200 grain corlokt. not sure any even took more than a few steps. most just dropped. i'll be taking out The Meatmaster 7600 Carbine this fall for a day or more. been a few years since i have gotten a deer with a 35.


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I got a 35 Rem when I was about 15 years old. Over the 10 or so years I had it, I killed a lot of deer. Probably 5 or 6 a year at least. Nothing I have ever used killed deer any deader or faster. I went to a 270 next, and it was for longer range hunting. It was not more effective than the 35, which gave me an exit and a big blood trail every time.

And that lever action Marlin could sling lead fast. I’m guessing at the time involved, but once I managed to sneak up on a bean field that was full of deer, and they had to run past me to get to the woods. The first deer shot was standing. The next two were running. I killed those 3 in 10 seconds or less. Boy, Dad was mad. Surely the statute of limitations has long since run out.

I sold that gun when I got married. Sure wish I still had it. 336 Texan it was.

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