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If I had to grab one tomorrow from my collection it would be my 6.5-300 or a lever 30-06 (BLR or 1895).
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Not sure what bullet the fella was using but a 270 wsm is responsible for the quickest grizzly kill Ive ever seen. He was one of those hunters a guide remembers. Italian guy and he could shoot. Another impressive kill I was involved with was caught on film; Cody Robbins used a 280 on that bear.
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Which coastal bears? SE bears are not kodiak bears or peninsula bears.If I were coming to SE I would bring any 30 cal standard. Kodiak or the peninsula I'm bringing 375 , 300 ultra, big Weatherby's ect.Not that I wouldn't use any of the big thirties or a 375 in SE , I just don't believe you need them here.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
--Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
Once in awhile methinks…
"You've been here longer than the State of Alaska is old!"
*** my Grandaughters
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If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
Appparently not. I've been using mine for over 30 years and neither it nor I have have killed a brown/ grizzly bear. Oh, you mean I have to try?
The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
After 43 years of of guiding brown bear hunters I would say it's 50/50 . It works great if you can shoot
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
After 43 years of of guiding brown bear hunters I would say it's 50/50 . It works great if you can shoot 😂😂 👍
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
My family moved from Wyoming to our first home in Alaska in the summer of 1958. Nome was an interesting place in those days; full of suprises around most corners it was. It seems that the elders found out that my dad had the largest rifle in town. Figuring he was a "cowboy" (he always sported the Stetson when outside) the elders would come to him when the white bears become a nuisance. He would fill a pocket full of freshly reloaded 30-06 rounds. Armed with his sporterized Springfield, he would head out with a couple of elders to the edge of town. As I recall, these rounds were loaded with the favorite 180 grain cup and core bullet of the day. Eleven or twelve bears fell to that combination during our two year tenure to western Alaska. The elders were happy, dad was happy, and (I am quite certain about this) more than a few bears were not....
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Never hunted the big bears but I have hunted dangerous game. It seems odd to me to associate going after THE Apex predator and even considering the word "minimum" or even "adequate.". I do have it on my "bucket list" (are you listening Phil, I know Hatari has mentioned us going) and when I go, it's probably be my "medium" recoil rifle, 340 Weatherby with 250gr TTSXs... 
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Which coastal bears? SE bears are not kodiak bears or peninsula bears.If I were coming to SE I would bring any 30 cal standard. Kodiak or the peninsula I'm bringing 375 , 300 ultra, big Weatherby's ect.Not that I wouldn't use any of the big thirties or a 375 in SE , I just don't believe you need them here. Exactly
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
After 43 years of of guiding brown bear hunters I would say it's 50/50 . It works great if you can shoot Phil, That reminds me of an outfitter in the Bob Marshall Wilderness I met some years ago. He carried a .375 H&H while guiding elk hunters, and I asked him if that was due to grizzlies. (There are some big ones in the Bob, which aren't very scared of humans, because they haven't been hunted in the last 30 years or so.) "Nope," he said. "It's to finish off elk clients gut-shoot with their brand-new .338 Winchester Magnums!"
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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Never hunted the big bears but I have hunted dangerous game. It seems odd to me to associate going after THE Apex predator and even considering the word "minimum" or even "adequate.". I do have it on my "bucket list" (are you listening Phil, I know Hatari has mentioned us going) and when I go, it's probably be my "medium" recoil rifle, 340 Weatherby with 250gr TTSXs... Don't you find the 250 grain to be too long? I love TSX and TTSX but in the 338 win or 340 or 338 RUM the 225 TTSX is my choice
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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You hear guides bashing every caliber!!
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You hear guides bashing every caliber!! Which is more due to bullets and or shot placement
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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You hear guides bashing every caliber!! Which is more due to bullets and or shot placement They're not bashing the pair of hands carting around the cartridge, because that would be impolite. Hence, the cartridge...
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
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JWP: I use the 225 in the 338WM with great accuracy, but like boobs, the bigger the better and my 340 shoots the 250s into a dime all day long
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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What about old fashioned.338WM?
Can that kills bear?
After 43 years of of guiding brown bear hunters I would say it's 50/50 . It works great if you can shoot Phil, That reminds me of an outfitter in the Bob Marshall Wilderness I met some years ago. He carried a .375 H&H while guiding elk hunters, and I asked him if that was due to grizzlies. (There are some big ones in the Bob, which aren't very scared of humans, because they haven't been hunted in the last 30 years or so.) "Nope," he said. "It's to finish off elk clients gut-shoot with their brand-new .338 Winchester Magnums!" Having never shot anything above 300WM (3.5 inch 12 gauge on a snow goose hunt was a bad choice too) - how does the recoil compare? 375 vs 338?
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