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Not all red dots are created equal. To my eyes, Holosun red dots are far better than the Eotechs and Aimpoints I've used. Currently running Holosun 510C's and a 530G Elite.
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Often, the 1moa dots in the circle-dot reticles are more defined. I’d agree the Sig/Holosun stuff seems cleaner than others. I like LPVs, but have some prisms that are good, as well. Personally, I feel I’m as fast and accurate with a trijicon 1-4 and their triangle, as anything I’ve used, issued or bought. My little VX2 1-4 w/ German #1 ain’t no slouch, but it’s not illuminated.
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I have astigmatism. As most people know, astigmatism causes havoc when using non "multiplied" red dots. I would love to use a red dot for the eye relief and eye placement forgiveness when moving but I'm not hitting anything when it looks like a Rorschach inkblot.
I'm struggling with a decision on an AR optic between a prism scope, a low power variable scope, and a red dot with multiplier. I can make an argument for any of those 3 choices. This rifle would be for close in shooting and out to about 100 yards. Regardless of what I choose, it will have iron flip up sights anyway.
Prism scopes offer simplicity, etched glass reticle, glass clarity and possibly magnification. Low power variable scopes probably offer the best glass quality, good close in vision on 1x, etched reticle, magnification and possibly illuminated reticle. The red dot with magnifier offers red dot eye relief and placement forgiveness, clarified dot when used with the magnifier and obviously magnification.
Have you used 2 or more of these options and decided to go with one over the other? Please share your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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I also have astigmatism.I have used the PA red dots, Eotechs, and LPVO. My favorite, even with the weight, is my SWFA 1-6.
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I just got one of those 3X with the 5.56 ACSS reticles in, a few days ago. Haven't got it mounted /zero'd yet, but it looks a little safer to shoot now (fire conditions). I have had the 3X with the 7.62x39 ACSS reticle for a couple years. I like it a lot. Ordered it today, .556 version. Appreciate your input. Probably going to need a couple more uppers, for testing.
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I think I may go with the 1x prism. Can't imagine shooting anything outside 100 yds with subsonic rounds.
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Same situation here. I don't care for the short eye relief on the prism. I sent mine back to primary arms. I'd go SWFA 1-4 or 1-6
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I have the same astigmatism issue you do. I have opted for low power scopes as the thin and close reticles look like just two lines crossing instead of 4 lines crossing. I have to be wearing my glasses as well. I had to give up iron sights because I kept seeing 2 front sight posts. I got the right post about 50% of the time.
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I also have astigmatism, but pretty minor I think. RDS look like small star. Still very usable for me. I have a variety of LPVOs and a couple RDS at the moment. No fixed prism experience. I reach for LPVOs or traditional (A1) carry handle irons nearly every time. I'd say get a good LPVO and be set for the all reasonable uses of 5.56 with a good mix of precision and speed. RDS with a magnifer is nothing but compromises with no upside in my opinion
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Going to try one? 4.4 oz, 3.5" eye relief. Tiny bugger, like you sorta look around it and through it at the same time.... Curious.. Curious too about a set of tritium, aperture and post sights. That'd be functional maybe?
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at 1X with both eyes open, the rifle up to your shoulder, bright illuminated reticle and based on some personal research the gun is fairly fast if your actually aiming to hit the target at 10-25 yards, I am not good enough to be able to tell the difference in speed between an aimpoint or a 1-X. I am sure people that shoot competition will be able to tell. What makes the biggest difference to me, is rested fire at 100 or more yards, the 4 or 6 X side of the device is much more useful than an aimpoint and at the prices of new aimpoints forget them.
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Got one of those 3X Prisms from Primary Arms Shane mentioned. Best spot for it seemed to be this Ruger pistol in 556. From the specs I wondered about eye relief, and eyebox. Gladly, neither seem they'll be an issue. Usable from three brace positions. Hope to get sighted in in soon, but no starburst, perfectly crisp reticle illuminated or not.
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Boomer, is there a diopter focus on the ocular?
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Boomer, is there a diopter focus on the ocular? Yes there is.
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