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The FMJ 9mm is over 100 years old. It's killed more folks than all the HPs put together. 'nuff said. And it continues to do so. It is the standard military issue for NATO and many other nations.
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I'd rather put a 9mm fmj between a mans eyeballs than a 38+p into his bicep.
Haven't yet met a person who can actually shoot a j frame worth a crap . . .
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Not sure I buy the Phillips head, solid copper, bullet concept as a stopping round for two legged predators. Seems like it wouldn't be much more destructive than FMJ. It doesn't do any better than hardball in gel and flesh tests. I'd carry the hard ball, and an extra mag or two.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic.
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"The FMJ 9mm is over 100 years old. It's killed more folks than all the HPs put together. 'nuff said. "
I don't care if it 'killed' them. Heck a .22 has 'killed' more than any of 'em. But I want it to stop them from killing ME.
Like I said, If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic.
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"The FMJ 9mm is over 100 years old. It's killed more folks than all the HPs put together. 'nuff said. "
I don't care if it 'killed' them. Heck a .22 has 'killed' more than any of 'em. But I want it to stop them from killing ME.
Like I said, If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic. Sure, when forced to use fmj I would rather have 11.43mm vs 9mm. In a perfect world we would be presented with J-frame vs Glock 30s, but alas the world will never be perfect. With guns like S&W Shield, XDs as EDC the .45ACP has really come into its own.
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If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic. Yep. But I’d still choose the 9mm with 15 rounds of hardball over the j-frame smith with only 5 rounds any old day and twice on Sunday. At least you can carry spare 15 round mags.
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"The FMJ 9mm is over 100 years old. It's killed more folks than all the HPs put together. 'nuff said. "
I don't care if it 'killed' them. Heck a .22 has 'killed' more than any of 'em. But I want it to stop them from killing ME.
Like I said, If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic. How many world wars and global conflicts has the .22 LR been in widespread use by various nations miliary? How many police departments issue the .22 LR? "The .22 has killed more men than any of them" is often said, but I highly doubt that's true.
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We overthink this schitt...just carry a gun you can shoot well...any gun. We overthink this schitt...just carry a gun you can shoot well...any gun. This....
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If I'm gonna use hardball ammo (FMJ) I'll use a .45 Automatic. Yep. But I’d still choose the 9mm with 15 rounds of hardball over the j-frame smith with only 5 rounds any old day and twice on Sunday. At least you can carry spare 15 round mags. I personally know a man that used the 9mm in a self defense situation using hardball. He hit the assailant in the thigh with the bullet taking an upward path into the abdomen stopping the attack and killing the assailant rather quickly
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What barrel length J frame? What weight jhp? Which gun do you shoot best? Those are the important considerations.
But yeah, it isn't that hard to buy good jhp for 9mm online.
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"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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Wow! $65.00 for a box of 50 Gold Dot 9mm! Combination of price inflation due to expansion of the money supply and the shortage vs increased demand.
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Just buy some Buffalo Boar 9mm Hard Cast Outdoorsman loads. I can tell you from personal experience it works damn well on hogs here at the Ranch.
And a well known Alaskan guide here stopped a Grizz with just one shot of it. 🤠
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That's only a little less per round.
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Just buy some Buffalo Boar 9mm Hard Cast Outdoorsman loads. I can tell you from personal experience it works damn well on hogs here at the Ranch.
And a well known Alaskan guide here stopped a Grizz with just one shot of it. 🤠 Not one shot, he emptied his pistol into the bear and the bear ran a short distance and died
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Anybody making the popcorn??
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That's only a little less per round. I didn’t mean better than the gold dots I meant better than cheap fmj ammo. I don’t carry a 9mm so I have no idea what normal jhp ammo cost is.
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