Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Nice shooting. I'm enjoying the pics you're putting up.
Hey Tex, all barred rock except the little white bugger is a lace feathered banty. Should be layin in about 4-5 months.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Looks like the vld haters need to watch some of these videos. 😛😎
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
drover
That could be tested with enough (at least 30) scope samples of each brand with a series of ladder tests.
It would at least define how the scopes work in new condition, no info about long term durability & function.
It would take a fair amount of time & shooting.
I'd like to see it as I haven't bought any new Leupolds for a very long time.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show yours to be, I wouldn't use a scope at all. I want to hunt, not just kill things. Oh yeah, and the 10 point I have hanging on the wall behind me is considerably larger than the one you posted a pic of earlier. He was taken at 25 yards with iron sights. .
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Child please....
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Alas I am not so good a hunter so optics that dial help me fill the freezer.
Some of my buddies also struggle and don't have your hunting skillz but do have optics that dial.
We all have to play the hand we were dealt and not everyone has your awesome hunting abilities.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Alas I am not so good a hunter so optics that dial help me fill the freezer.
Some of my buddies also struggle and don't have your hunting skillz but do have optics that dial.
We all have to play the hand we were dealt and not everyone has your awesome hunting abilities.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Obviously.
Deer that ignore a lawn mower and ATV might also help, Just Sayin.
That said those of us that lack your "obvious" skillz must supplement with gadgets.
A hunters gotta eat.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Obviously.
Deer that ignore a lawn mower and ATV might also help, Just Sayin.
That said those of us that lack your "obvious" skillz must supplement with gadgets.
A hunters gotta eat.
Your deer are no wilder or wary than they are here. Your hunter success rate actually shows the opposite in fact.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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