You do need to have enough frontal area driven at enough speed. The flat might not be earth shattering in gel versus the RN, but anyone who's ever killed anything generally skip the RN.
The good news is that as ranges get longer and speed goes down, their performance is also less effected.
They are handguns. Its not like the expanding bullets are bomblike in the difference...or compare to a 12 or 20 gauge Brenneke, which is nothing but a solid.
Clay is meaningless since it only provides an image of the maximum, non-permanent, wound channel. That's why they use gel instead of clay. All that impressive clay expansion, were it flesh or ballistic gelatin, would just bounce back into shape.
Clay is meaningless since it only provides an image of the maximum, non-permanent, wound channel. That's why they use gel instead of clay. All that impressive clay expansion, were it flesh or ballistic gelatin, would just bounce back into shape.
I dont find it useless it gives a reference. Some FMJ ammo expands readily such as tge Winchester white box 147 grain FMJ FP.The soft lead core and the soft plated jacket combine for an easily expandable bullet
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Clay is meaningless since it only provides an image of the maximum, non-permanent, wound channel. That's why they use gel instead of clay. All that impressive clay expansion, were it flesh or ballistic gelatin, would just bounce back into shape.
Arteries in flesh/organs rupture and that force disruption isnt accounted for in gel.
Its akin to hitting the gel with a ball bat, sap or whatever force object. But that apparently plays no role, unless of course youve actually tested the concept on living animals. The gel worship is a bit much.
Clay is meaningless since it only provides an image of the maximum, non-permanent, wound channel. That's why they use gel instead of clay. All that impressive clay expansion, were it flesh or ballistic gelatin, would just bounce back into shape.
Arteries in flesh/organs rupture and that force disruption isnt accounted for in gel.
Its akin to hitting the gel with a ball bat, sap or whatever force object. But that apparently plays no role, unless of course youve actually tested the concept on living animals. The gel worship is a bit much.
Indeed
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Temporary wound channel has an affect, for sure. It's a violent disruption of living tissue. But clay exaggerates this affect. Big impressive holes in clay aren't nearly as meaningful as they appear, is all I'm saying.
Temporary wound channel has an affect, for sure. It's a violent disruption of living tissue. But clay exaggerates this affect. Big impressive holes in clay aren't nearly as meaningful as they appear, is all I'm saying.
You clearly do not understand that clay gives an accurate reference, the hole from an expanding bullet will be larger and penetrate less the same as it does in ballistics gel. A little common sense and one should gain useful info from clay
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Clay is meaningless since it only provides an image of the maximum, non-permanent, wound channel. That's why they use gel instead of clay. All that impressive clay expansion, were it flesh or ballistic gelatin, would just bounce back into shape.
Arteries in flesh/organs rupture and that force disruption isnt accounted for in gel.
Its akin to hitting the gel with a ball bat, sap or whatever force object. But that apparently plays no role, unless of course youve actually tested the concept on living animals. The gel worship is a bit much.
All that is true. It is also true that gel is probably the best medium there is unless you've got a bunch of goats to shoot.
You do need to have enough frontal area driven at enough speed. The flat might not be earth shattering in gel versus the RN, but anyone who's ever killed anything generally skip the RN.
Flat nosed 45s seem to "whomp" armadillos harder than round nosed. Not scientific I admit.
A decent flatnosed solid from a 357 can go from the pooper out the brisket of about any whitetail deer or medium hog. Its a poor shot with about any "good" hollowpoint Ive come across, cause they wont make it.
If peaceful protesters are tossing molotovs at my windows, catching as many per round makes sense.
If everything consisted of a blob of lungs and livers and it was all shot inside 35 yards, I'd give creedence to how "realistic" ballistic gel "tests" are.