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[ No.....jeebus....no I didn't.
We have been near the stories of starvation.
Grandpa worked for the big sheep outfits.
The Indians would sift through the dead lamb pile outside the lambing sheds.
Great Uncle Mart was hired to haul the dead ones away from the Fort and toss em in a coulee.
Dead Indians.
Thats the last story of starvation in the US.
The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. Meh, that’s just the one Buffalo Bill shot from his dining car 😃 humans are doing our best to move forward. good heavy duty shotguns helped feed the cities with wild ducks, etc. we're slowly beginning to wonder if we can feed ourselves without digging into the wild protein supply? i suspect we can, given enough effort, luck, and application of scientific method. is it even possible to consider the relocation of wild animals to their original location on the earth? and who would decide, pray tell?
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Meh, that’s just the ones Buffalo Bill shot from his dining car 😃
That's about right.
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The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. What do you reckon killed all those bison?
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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I dont know if that was it or not. Could have been.
I think reservation living had as much to do with as anything. Uncle Sugar could cut em off at his pleasure.
They couldn't adapt. Putting wild buffalo Indians on reservations is like dropping New York yuppies in the Yukon.
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The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. What do you reckon killed all those bison? Lead poisoning.
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The sane and organized survivors will exterminate the cannibals. There are two kinds of cannibalism: ritual cannibalism and survival cannibalism. Both are abominations to civilized men. The Donner party woulda made a stew out of you.
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Jeebus....a fantasy.
We are feeding the world three times over with one hand tied behind our back........and you guys want to talk about wild game........
I am MAGA.
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If a diet of grain, and vegetables were followed, as Jim just said foods would be even more abundant.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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humans are doing our best to move forward. good heavy duty shotguns helped feed the cities with wild ducks, etc.
we're slowly beginning to wonder if we can feed ourselves without digging into the wild protein supply?
waterfowl market hunting was done wit 100 pound punt guns. Pack'em in barrels and ship to the cities. The flocks disappeared pronto. Same with the pigeons. Wild protein is never a solution.
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The sane and organized survivors will exterminate the cannibals. There are two kinds of cannibalism: ritual cannibalism and survival cannibalism. Both are abominations to civilized men. The Donner party woulda made a stew out of you. Donner party had poor leadership.
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The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. What do you reckon killed all those bison? Falling and rolling block rifles.
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The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. What do you reckon killed all those bison? Falling and rolling block rifles. Stories say they could pick them off one by one and hardly scare the herd. The animals could defend against wolves bears and Indians, but were helpless against long range weapons. What a time to be alive!
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nothng to be sad about, the species is alive and well, and inhabiting areas with sufficient carrying capacity. there is nowhere to put historical numbers of them
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nothng to be sad about, the species is alive and well, and inhabiting areas with sufficient carrying capacity. there is nowhere to put historical numbers of them They survive like penned animals. I'm grateful they do, but the loss of wildness of the huge herds that are their natural condition is deeply saddening. Just because the species exists does not mean they fully survive. They are built and adapted to survive in herds that stretch across the horizon.
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Have the buff been replaced with cattle? Sure, they're privately owned, but a rancher with a herd spread over 30 or 40,000 acres is gonna have a lot of losses or have a hell of a security team. Either way some enterprising folks get fed, through poaching or security team employment.
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The lose of the Bison is one of the saddest stories in American history. What do you reckon killed all those bison? Falling and rolling block rifles. Stories say they could pick them off one by one and hardly scare the herd. The animals could defend against wolves bears and Indians, but were helpless against long range weapons. What a time to be alive! A herd of thirty to sixty million could hardly be killed out by human predation even with modern rifles considering the harvest could hardly have been more than a million a year. And that is a generous estimate on the kill. Need to look for another cause. There are plenty of accounts of dead bison covering the landscape. Indians died of introduced European disease. Bison overpopulated. Domestic cattle were introduced and driven into bison territory. Most likely cause was something like Texas tick fever or anthrax. Hunters couldn't have very well killed more than the natural reproduction.
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Bison don’t calve enough to replace human predation
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Our population would decimate the game population in a blink of an eye.
I don't know. I can sit here and think of quite a few that prepare a goodly part of the year, spend thousands of hard earned dollars on state of the art equipment and location, but still can't put a decent- sized game animal on the ground with one shot. If they do manage to bring one down, quite a few can't dress their quarry and reduce it to edible portions without having to pay someone to do it for them. Many more can't preserve their harvest for later consumption. All of this with no real pressure to bring home what may be the only thing to eat for days while competing with others for that same bite of food
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Bison don’t calve enough to replace human predation I dare say that thirty million (low estimate) would calve five to seven million (another low estimate) per year. Reckon humans were killing that many?
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locally we have canned goods, gardens, fruit, neighbors willing to share.
but to drill down a level or layer or two just for discussion.
we know times are changing. the drones are coming.
in general and average are cats or dogs the best?
i've never eaten either one, but i didn't have to.
whose closest behind the mormon planning?
we southern baptists have no problem with possums. Why do you capitalize Gus, gus?
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