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Question for the 'fire, My son's .243 has a short barrel on it, was a youth sps. Initially used the 100 Hornady boat tail soft points, once. And only once, would only use them in the future on a coyote. So went to the 95 gr ballistic tips. Love them. Never caught one yet, accurate and very happy with them. I started loading the 95 gr partition because of the bears around here, and he used it once on a deer. It worked for sure, but didn't exit. Not what I was hoping for. Was going to load up more ballistic tips but got a hankering to try the ttsx. What I am wondering, is if I can get enough speed out of the short barrel to open it up. I have used and LOVE the ttsx out of my 22-250, so am familiar with them in passing at least. Shots would be 200 and in most likely. thanks
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I load them to 3350 out of a 22" so think you'd still have plenty of fps with the 18".
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Question for the 'fire, My son's .243 has a short barrel on it, was a youth sps. Initially used the 100 Hornady boat tail soft points, once. And only once, would only use them in the future on a coyote. So went to the 95 gr ballistic tips. Love them. Never caught one yet, accurate and very happy with them. I started loading the 95 gr partition because of the bears around here, and he used it once on a deer. It worked for sure, but didn't exit. Not what I was hoping for. Was going to load up more ballistic tips but got a hankering to try the ttsx. What I am wondering, is if I can get enough speed out of the short barrel to open it up. I have used and LOVE the ttsx out of my 22-250, so am familiar with them in passing at least. Shots would be 200 and in most likely. thanks If you don't have any yet, let me know. I just scored 3 boxes at Academy for $4.98 a box. I'll send you up some gratis.
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I load them to 3350 out of a 22" so think you'd still have plenty of fps with the 18". Guess proof'll be in the pudding.
If you don't have any yet, let me know. I just scored 3 boxes at Academy for $4.98 a box. I'll send you up some gratis.
Thanks for the offer man, I picked up a box the other day. Paid a hell of a lot more than $4.98 though!
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I load them to 3350 out of a 22" so think you'd still have plenty of fps with the 18". Guess proof'll be in the pudding.
If you don't have any yet, let me know. I just scored 3 boxes at Academy for $4.98 a box. I'll send you up some gratis.
Thanks for the offer man, I picked up a box the other day. Paid a hell of a lot more than $4.98 though! I couldn't pass them up for the closeout price.
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I wouldn't have walked past them either!
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The 80 TTSX will do a number on deer and pigs
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I'm sure it does hanco, no doubt. Just wondering how fast a guy needs to run them for them to open up.
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Hey BGG, I just remembered when my shoulder could handle a 45-70 I emailed Barnes about their expansion velocity on their 45-70 bullets. They were very prompt in their reply.
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Hey BGG, I just remembered when my shoulder could handle a 45-70 I emailed Barnes about their expansion velocity on their 45-70 bullets. They were very prompt in their reply. That's good advice Paul. But I'd rather hear from guys who've had it in the field. If nothing else I'll stand on them and shoot some pieces of wood and see what happens. Just gotta find data with the powders I have on hand. Found plenty of data on the 6mm rem but kinda short on the .243.
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What powders do you have on hand? You should be able to get at least 3250 I’d guess with the 18” barrel depending on what powders you have. They will work just fine especially within your given ranges.
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Hey Gruff long time no see.
I'm as far away from a Barnes fan as you can get. I recently jumped through all the hoops required to give a rifle to a good friend (PH)'s wife in RSA. When I took the rifle I took 50 rounds of 87 grain VMAX and 50 rounds of 80 grain TTSX to her.
She was kind enough to let me use the rifle while I was there. I loaded up the TTSX up to about 3200 FPS out of a 20" barrel.
Still not a Barnes fan but discovered they work pretty well if you can hook some bone on the entrance side.
If things got ugly with a bear in your country I kind of think hitting CNS with any deer capable bullet might pay dividends.
Best to you and yours.
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What powders do you have on hand? You should be able to get at least 3250 I’d guess with the 18” barrel depending on what powders you have. They will work just fine especially within your given ranges. Varget and H4350 Hey Gruff long time no see.
I'm as far away from a Barnes fan as you can get. I recently jumped through all the hoops required to give a rifle to a good friend (PH)'s wife in RSA. When I took the rifle I took 50 rounds of 87 grain VMAX and 50 rounds of 80 grain TTSX to her.
She was kind enough to let me use the rifle while I was there. I loaded up the TTSX up to about 3200 FPS out of a 20" barrel.
Still not a Barnes fan but discovered they work pretty well if you can hook some bone on the entrance side.
If things got ugly with a bear in your country I kind of think hitting CNS with any deer capable bullet might pay dividends.
Best to you and yours.
Yeah, I'd rather just keep rocking the BT, but figured the TTSX would only be more of a good thing if she opens. Put that little barreled action in a wood BDL stock I got here off the classifieds. Makes for a neat gun.
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If you can get it up to 3k, it should be fine to 200 yards. It would be doing 2400 fps+ at that distance, and I like to keep it over 2200 for decent expansion (although it would probably work down to about 2k fps).
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I'd keep shooting the 95 BT myself, although they won't penetrate like a tsx, they will destroy more tissue.
I dont see either one immediately stopping an angry bear without a CNS shot and the NBT kills deer sized game a lot quicker
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I get 3221 fps with the 80 TTSX with 39.0 grains of Varget out of an 18" Ruger.
It's one hard hitting bullet. People that question tissue damage need to see it in action.
Impressive blood trails with broadside chest shots and have never had one stay in a deer even after smashing shoulders or neck
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I have used the Barnes TSX 85gr. and the TTSX 80 gr. a lot in my Mauser 6 mm Remington. For S'nGs ([bleep] 'n Giggles) I downloaded some loads to emulate downrage performance at super longrange w/o shooting so far. I later used 2300 fps as my lowest impact velocity - and that is well high, I am sure.
If you load for 2900 fps (also conservative, me thinks) you would still be up that 2300 fps threshold and well within the performance envelope of the 80 gr. TTSX in your sons .243.
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If you can get it up to 3k, it should be fine to 200 yards. It would be doing 2400 fps+ at that distance, and I like to keep it over 2200 for decent expansion (although it would probably work down to about 2k fps). I see, great minds think alike. :-)
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One more thought - have the rifle threaded and a can added. A suppressed .243 is only surpassed by a suppressed .308 in general hunting usefulness and straight up panache :-)
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Greetings, friend!
Just wanted to echo your feelings on the usefulness of hunting with suppressed rifles. I am thrilled with the results I got from My 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor with the appliance attached. Makes like so much nicer.
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