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You get to play the Kimber accuracy roulette!
No thank you. The Kimber’s are fine rifles.
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Can you go used? Although that might not be much help right now.
The Axis is pretty rough. I’ll fitting, 78 pound trigger, not smooth...Ruger American? Kinda somewhere in the middle of the two.
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Consider buying a used rifle.
On an almost daily basis I see members here mention rifles they couldn't get to shoot so they "sent them down the road" Some people just don’t know how to shoot.
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If you're looking for a 280AI and you don't handload I think you're really limiting your options for rifles and ammo. Have you considered a 270 or 30-06 Tikka?
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Handle them both, it will become apparent which you prefer.
Never owned a Kimber that wouldn’t shoot. Also never shot one that did not go through a preflight check. YMMV.
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If you're looking for a 280AI and you don't handload I think you're really limiting your options for rifles and ammo. Have you considered a 270 or 30-06 Tikka? For $750 I would pick the Tikka over the Kimber every time.
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Pick the rifle, not the cartridge. A .30-06 or .270 or 7mm mag. will kill stuff just as dead as a .280AI. There are plenty of rifles to choose from in those chamberings that fall between those two price points.
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TC COMPASS 2, 7mm Remington, $234 after rebate.
Nope, nevermind, sold out again at kyguns.
Get a 270, geeze.
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I suggest changing the cartridge choice to 30-06. That will broaden the choice of rifles, new or used. B-I-N-G-O 😎
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Kimber has a reputation for being finicky in terms of accuracy. They seem to have issues more often than average based on my readings across many forums. That's why they earned the nickname Kimber Roulette. Customers on average don't report positive customer service experiences.
Light rifles are tough to shoot. Truth. 5lb rifles are harder to shoot well then heavier rifles. I think the Kimber roulette meme is a hold over from some QC issues they had years ago combined with the difficultly of benching an ultralight rifle. Most of the threads and posts I see on the Hunters today are positive, I wouldn't be scared at all to pick one up. I've been plenty happy with my Montana, I actually have a Hunter stock and didn't see any accuracy difference between my bedded Montana stock and my Hunter stock. A decent chambering and 14oz of suppressor hanging off the end help, but I'm not afraid to play Kimber roulette again, especially if the alternative is a Salvage Axis.
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Axis II vs Hunter doesn't comer up often. Bump
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...self respect? Lol
The savage will shoot. The kimber will be handed down to grandkids.
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Consider buying a used rifle.
On an almost daily basis I see members here mention rifles they couldn't get to shoot so they "sent them down the road" I saw WAY more used rifles on shelves today than I expected. I guess it's the big inventory right before hunting season... but most of them either looked essentially new (and were priced at close to original retail) or, to Paul's point, looked like someone dumped them for a reason. Unless you really know what you're looking for/at or you're specifically interested in a "project," I'd be leery of buying a used rifle. I've had exactly two used rifles I sent back down the road. The first was a Remington M700 BDL .308 Win that shot bughole groups. It got sold to fund my first AR, which came with two uppers - .223/5.56 and .300 BLK. The other was a Ruger American .30-06 Dad gave me before he passed away. I tried 7 or 8 different types of factory ammo in it and couldn't find one that shot as well as I'd like. Did not bother with handloads as I already had multiple .30-06 rifles. This one helped fund another rifle as well. Nothing really wrong with it other than I couldn't get sub-MOA groups with factory ammo and I didn't have the time or desire to fool with it. Or space in the safes. Right now I have 5 bolt rifles in my safe that were acquired used - ..223 Rem, 243 Win, .257 Roberts, .30-06 and a .338WM that was assembled from used factory parts (action, stock and barrel) from different sources. All shoot great. Bought a used lefty Remington M700 BDL in .270 Win for Daughter #1 and it shoots very well too - 4-shots @ 0.7" and 3-shots @ 0.3" at 100 yards last time I checked it, per my load notes. While I understand the concern, I haven't had a bad used rifle yet.
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What does the extra $350 get me? All of the budget rifles shoot better than they should for the cost. But I consider them disposable rifles. You use them until something breaks and then buy another. And I don't really mean that in a negative way. I have some and they shoot pretty well. But those aren't the guns I will be proud to see one of my grandkids own someday.
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280AI for a non-loader? Silly.
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My stainless T3 in 7mm Rem Mag is an elk killing machine. 24” barrel, light, accurate, easy on the shoulder with a Limbsaver.
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Scoop up an old stock or slightly used Tikka T3 off gunbroker and don't look back
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Scoop up an old stock or slightly used Tikka T3 off gunbroker and don't look back For that price point, this is exactly how I would proceed.
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Elk wouldn’t like this. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873072459Get load info from pharm.
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Consider buying a used rifle. Most hunting rifles never see enough rounds to worry about the barrel being shot out, but you do need to inspect for rust, etc. You can often get a better quality rifle for the cost of the "value" rifle offerings with flimsy synthetic stocks and general lack of refinement.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS I'm not a fan of the "BIC" rifles but would buy and tote any one of them before I spent money on a Kimber. I agree about looking for a used rifle. I found this one for $500.00 locally. I pulled the Leupold off and sold it on ebay. Now I have $175.00 in the rifle: Thats one thing you will never be able to do if you buy a damn Savage Axis. You will never be able to sell it and re-coup your money. Used is often times the best way to buy...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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