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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15253241 09/24/20
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15 years ago, I would have said a big Seven is ideal. With twist rates and bullets being what they are now, "canyon boomer" for elk is just about any cartridge from faster 6.5 on up. 270 or 280 would be a great pick.


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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15255634 09/25/20
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For 600 yard shooting why not a 6.5 Creed or 7-08? The bullet matters more than the chambering for hitting and killing things, including at long distance.

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All good suggestions so far in this thread. Individual preference is key here. The below or a 280 AI are my personal preferences.
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For 600 yard shooting why not a 6.5 Creed or 7-08? The bullet matters more than the chambering for hitting and killing things, including at long distance.

With few exceptions, finding elk is the tough part. Assuming you are competent with your weapon of choice, killing them is the easy part.


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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: beretzs] #15256060 09/25/20
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Originally Posted by beretzs
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300 Win Mag is tough to whoop.



If starting over, I think I'd consider the PRC over the win mag, or go right to the 300WBY and be done with it..


Yup, all pretty much the same deal.. I went RUM but any of the others would work just as well for me.


I rotate between a 300 Wby and a 300 RUM. Ballistics are a frog hair difference, but each rifle is set up differently depending on my hunt.

I used a 30-378 Roy for several years exclusively for bull hunting. It was impressive with both Barnes TSX and Nosler Abond in 180g.

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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15275639 10/01/20
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My 264 always got the job done with one shot. Same for my 7mmRM. My 300WBY once put 3 165NP's in the boiler room of a bull before he went down but that was my fault cause later exam showed he was likely dead on his feet from the first one. I recall being totally impressed with how quick elk went down when hit with a 225 NP from my 338 though...if it wasn't for being a bit more recoil sensitive these days I'd still use it and probably exclusively!

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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15275869 10/01/20
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What long range, accurate cartridge for elk from five choices. See below.
Has - .308 Win, Most powerful rifle currently owned.
Possibles - .280 AI - Of the ones you list this would be my pick.
.28 Nosler - I know nada about this.
.300 Win Mag - I should like this as it has a lot of development behuind it but I don't care for them. My .308 Norma and .300 Weatherby bracket it well. I use a .338 in this role.
.340 Weatherby - For a boomer, I would prefer this over the others listed and the Lapua simply because I can chamber it in a Model 70 action. Try to get a minimum chamber but with the freebore if you go for one .
.338 Lapua - Love this round but the Sako I have access to only has a 26 in barrel it should likely have at least a 26 in. .
Options to minimize recoil like a brake and barrel life are a concern. I wouuld forget the brake. I put one on my .338. It kicked kike a .270 but the blast was ridiculous. The brake is now in with the loading dies for the cartridge. It will stay there.
Lots of folks don't want to be around anyone using a brake. I am in that group. high quality recoil pads help a lot. So does rifle weight.

From my preferences? A big .30, likely pushing a 210 gr ABLR at 3000 fps or so. I am going to see how my Weatherby likes them. Starting new? likely a .300 PRC.

Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15277774 10/02/20
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300 prc caught my attention also. Couldnt find brass so I dkipped it. May need to revisit the option seems like a 300 win mag improved?

Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15278424 10/02/20
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Not sure how far you plan on shooting, but if you’ve already a 308, have you tried 155 Scenars? LRAB? Berger’s?

Lots of dead animals posted here taken by those bullets at ranges beyond what many shoot at.


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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15278480 10/02/20
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Just ordered some more Scenar 155 grain OTM. Shot my first 1000 yard match in 20 mph wind. I was impressed with them. Have not used them on game yet.

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9.3x62 with a 250 ttsx is hard to argue with out to 500 yds. It’s a quite a lot easier on your shoulder too than the big boomers if that matters. They all work, failure is almost always shooter error. Practice, practice, practice.

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Originally Posted by HadsDad
My dad uses a 300 win mag with a brake. I don't think it kicks any harder than my 30/06. Recoil is an important thing to consider. A softer recoiling rifle is easier to shoot accurately. Plus with the .300 or a .338 you can buy ammo almost anywhere people hunt elk. Neither of them are barrel burners either, at least as far as magnums go. Whatever you happen to choose practice, practice, practice from field positions.

What is all the hoopla over brakes? I've got a .300 WBY with a factory brake and it works. I've heard people badmouthing brakes so much and when I shoot my .300 I'm thanking God I have one on this rifle. Mainly I hear people bitch about them because they make people at the range mad because of the side blast and noise. I say you should be wearing hearing protection at the range and it wouldn't bother you. You're one of the few here that has something good to say about them. I'll putg it this way, If my 300 wasn't braked I wouldn't shoot it. I wear hearing protection and my brake is wonderful.


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Originally Posted by Filaman
Originally Posted by HadsDad
My dad uses a 300 win mag with a brake. I don't think it kicks any harder than my 30/06. Recoil is an important thing to consider. A softer recoiling rifle is easier to shoot accurately. Plus with the .300 or a .338 you can buy ammo almost anywhere people hunt elk. Neither of them are barrel burners either, at least as far as magnums go. Whatever you happen to choose practice, practice, practice from field positions.

What is all the hoopla over brakes? I've got a .300 WBY with a factory brake and it works. I've heard people badmouthing brakes so much and when I shoot my .300 I'm thanking God I have one on this rifle. Mainly I hear people bitch about them because they make people at the range mad because of the side blast and noise. I say you should be wearing hearing protection at the range and it wouldn't bother you. You're one of the few here that has something good to say about them. I'll put it this way, If my 300 wasn't braked I wouldn't shoot it because I'm not into pain. I wear hearing protection and my brake is wonderful.


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Re: Cartridge for elk [Re: Esox357] #15280359 10/03/20
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Originally Posted by Esox357
What long range cartridge for elk? 340 wby, 338 lapua, 300 win mag, 28 nosler, 280 AI 168 bullets were some of cartridges I were considering. Options to minimize recoil like a brake and barrel life are a concern. Largest caliber is a 308 win. What do you suggest for an accurate long range canyon boomer? That can be tamed.
.....................Kinda depends on what you consider long range distances, your threshold for recoil, brake?, prefer no brake? and on down the line. Assuming recoil tolerance is not an issue, I personally associate a long range boomer with two primary things; ft lbs of energy and velocities retained at impact along with a flatter trajectories.......Your choices listed are all very good. Happen to have one of them; the 28 Nosler.

I would say do this. Play around with a ballistics calculator. Choose your potential cartridges, choose multiple bullet choices for each that you will or might use, type in their BCs, bullet weights, muzzle velocities, approx altitudes you'll be hunting in and then determine what the down range performances are for each at various distances ie; trajectory differences, ft lbs of energy retained, velocities retained and so on.

They say and I have read, that 1500 ft lbs of energy at impact is a "preferred" minimum for elk. Run the downrange (your from and up to hunting distances) #s and see what comparisons ya come with. Then narrow down your choices while keeping in mind your tolerance for recoil and whether you want a muzzle brake or not.


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Thank you all for helping me decide. I went down to Sportsman Warehouse and ordered a Weatherby Accumark in .300 Weatherby! I need recommendation on a scope now. Also for the reloaders what powder and bullets do you use for elk and moose?

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Thank you all for helping me decide. I went down to Sportsman Warehouse and ordered a Weatherby Accumark in .300 Weatherby! I need recommendation on a scope now. Also for the reloaders what powder and bullets do you use for elk and moose?
................Great rifle choice and a great cartridge..........I can relate, See below.


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Thank you. Any suggestions on scope?

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Thank you. Any suggestions on scope?
...............Many many choices.......As far as magnification is concerned for a 300 Bee, I would maybe go with a 3.5x10 up to a 4.5x14. I have a 3.5-10x40 VX3 on my 338-378 Accumark..No problems with it since mounting it. Vortex are great scopes as well. Feedback from my buds who have them is excellent........Make sure you get a scope with some decent eye relief.


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Thanks again Big! Looking forward to hunting with it!

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I'm a bit late to the party but here goes.

A few friends and I have been long range hunting for years. Successfully. From pronghorn, deer and up to Elk out past 1200 yards. I have had my rifles either built or "accurised" buy Keven Cram at Montour County Rifles It's a sickness. The first year we went out we all brought Cannons. The smallest rifle way just under 16 lbs, a .338 Lapua Mag Improved. I busted 12 inch rocks with it at a mile. The elk never got within 2 miles of us. So on the drive home we researched Long rang hammers an BC's of different bullets, load data, energy .... ain't modern tech great. We decided on 28 Nosler launching 195Gr. EOL Kevin throated the chambers long to allow us to seat the bullet just to the neck junction. 27 in. barrel in a carbon fiber McM stock. Around 8 lbs. We have taken elk from 398 yards out to 1273 yards with them.

Right now Kevin is working on a 6.5 WSM throated for 156 GR. EOL

As far as scopes go. Sightron SIII on the entry level side of things and Nightforce on the other. Many shooters skimp on glass. Don't do it. If you can't see it, you can't shoot it. If you can't dial to the yardage every time with confidence you can't hit it,or miss it and understand why you missed.

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Thanks again Big! Looking forward to hunting with it!
....................Suggest that you keep your scope choice as light as possible. The Accumarks are not exactly light rifles...LOL


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