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Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
That article is from August. I might have agreed with the conclusion back in January of February but if you’ve been watching anything the last few months it would be apparent that a Trump victory via landslide is the most unlikely outcome.

I believe it’s more likely that all this hand wringing about mail in voting is for naught as Biden may well win in a landslide on election night

Don’t shoot the messenger, I just call it like I see it


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A Jamaican/Indian whore with a nasty disposition, a hypocrit who while prosecutor jailed those of color on minor marijuana charges yet makes a joke of her own marijuana use while in college. The last thing this country needs is that nasty biotch as POTUS which would be guaranteed by a Dem win in November.

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Originally Posted by benquick
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Joe and the Ho are in big trouble!
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Another racist pig's post.


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I did not miss the "Chocolate cake filled with creamy filling".

I guess that makes you a misogynist, racist pig? Join the club! smile


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Originally Posted by benquick
[quote=hatari]
Joe and the Ho are in big trouble!
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Another racist pig's post.



I have always known you were stupid but really??? Please point out the racism you idiot. Harris being a whore isn’t racist dumbass.

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Betting Odds Date
Joe Biden (D)
Donald Trump (R)
RCP Average 10/12 67.1 32.9
Betfair October 12th 70 32
Betsson October 12th 66 34
Bovada October 12th 64 35
Bwin October 12th 66 35
Smarkets October 12th 68 28
SpreadEx October 12th 70 32
Unibet October 12th 66 34
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Betting Odds: Trump vs. Biden
67.1Biden (D)
32.9Trump (R)

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Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE
Biden (D)
Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 9/27 - 10/11 -- -- 52.3 41.8 Biden +10.5
IBD/TIPP 10/7 - 10/11 851 LV 3.5 53 42 Biden +11
ABC News/Wash Post 10/6 - 10/9 725 LV 4.0 55 43 Biden +12
Economist/YouGov 10/4 - 10/6 1364 LV 4.8 51 42 Biden +9
The Hill/HarrisX 10/3 - 10/6 2841 RV 1.8 45 40 Biden +5
FOX News 10/3 - 10/6 1012 LV 3.0 53 43 Biden +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/2 - 10/6 882 LV 3.8 52 40 Biden +12
CNBC/Change Research (D)* 10/2 - 10/4 2167 LV 2.1 52 42 Biden +10
Rasmussen Reports 9/30 - 10/6 2500 LV 2.0 52 40 Biden +12
SurveyUSA 10/1 - 10/4 1114 LV 3.6 53 43 Biden +10
CNN 10/1 - 10/4 1001 LV 3.6 57 41 Biden +16
JTN/RMG Research* 10/1 - 10/3 763 LV 3.5 51 43 Biden +8
USC Dornsife 9/27 - 10/10 5099 LV -- 54 42 Biden +12

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

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Originally Posted by rem141r
this mail ballots thing is going to screw trump i think. lots of lazy POS's won't go to the booths but they'll stick a envelope in the mail to keep their free schit coming. and lots of them are in rural areas where trump needs the votes. the cities are lost for the most part. i wouldn't hold my breath on this one.


I fully agree with this. The only reason it was even close here in Michigan last election was because pot was on the ballot and LOTS of people that never would have gotten off the couch did. This mail in ballot is going to be an issue.

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Accurate in 25 out of 27 of the last Presidential elections going back over 100 years. Only missed Kennedy in 1960 and GWB in 2000, both nail biters.

His model says the candidate that did the best in the PRimaries always wins. The better he does in comparision to the opponent, the bigger the victory.

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Maverick Modeller Helmut Norpoth Predicts Another Win for Trump

August 3, 20207


Political scientist Helmut Norpoth fields media calls every week seeking comment on the upcoming presidential election. Why the interest? In 2016, he was one of a handful of experts who correctly predicted the outcome of the U.S. Presidential election.

Norpoth, a professor in Stony Brook’s Department of Political Science, has enjoyed notable success forecasting elections based on his Primary Model, a statistical representation of U.S. presidential races based on data going back more than a century.

In 2020, his model once again projects a Trump victory, giving the incumbent President a 90-percent chance of being re-elected in a landslide — a controversial call that runs contrary to current polls.

The Primary Model has correctly predicted five of the past six presidential elections, and when applied to previous elections, correctly predicts an impressive 25 of the last 27, missing only the 2000 election in which George W. Bush defeated Al Gore and the 1960 election in which John F. Kennedy defeated Richard Nixon — two extremely close and contested votes marred by allegations of voting inaccuracies.

Norpoth began working on his model after the 1992 presidential election, putting it to the test for the first time in 1996.

“My first forecast was the 1996 election, the one where Bill Clinton was re-elected for a second term,” he said. “Predicting a Clinton win was considered a stretch at the time because he was pretty bad in his first term.”

Norpoth, who has been at Stony Brook since 1979, correctly predicted Clinton’s win using a very simple early version of his model. He would expand the model in the years to come, an ongoing evolution that continues to this day. But one key metric that was apparent to Norpoth even in the early stages — the importance of early presidential primaries — remains a critical part of the Primary Model.

After the 2008 election, in which Barack Obama won the nomination and then the election despite failing to win the New Hampshire primary, Norpoth expanded the range of primaries to include the South Carolina primary as well.

“But that’s it,” said Norpoth. “I focus on early primaries and the way the candidates perform in those early contests. It’s a very good predictor, and a leading indicator of what’s going to happen in November.”

He described the focus on primaries as the key difference between his model and others.

“It’s all about primary elections, which are real electoral contests and the votes are counted and tabulated,” he said. “I also use real numbers, such as the results of previous elections, which indicate whether the pendulum is swinging away from or toward the White House party. This is something that also relies on real election results and not any kind of an opinion poll.”

Unlike many other projections, Norpoth’s equation ignores approval ratings.

“That’s a poll number,” he said, “and I don’t use those. I think the primary performance of a sitting president is usually a proxy for that. But I don’t use any polling data or data related to opinions.”

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Norpoth’s model predicts a Trump landslide in the Electoral College.
In light of this information, Norpoth said he wasn’t surprised that his model gave Trump a very strong chance at a second term.

“When I looked at New Hampshire and I saw that Donald Trump got 85 percent of the votes, and the closest challenger was Bill Weld at 10 percent, I was pretty sure what the model was going to predict,” he said. “If Trump had gotten only 55 percent and an opponent had gotten 40 percent, I may not have predicted that Donald Trump would have a chance to win. Maybe. It would depend on the other side as well.”

As for the Democrats, Norpoth said that the sheer number of candidates and the inability of any one of them to get off to a fast start may have doomed the party from the start.

“People have forgotten how Joe Biden did in New Hampshire,” said Norpoth. “He was terrible. He got 8.4 percent of the vote, which is unbelievable for a candidate with any aspirations of being president.”

So was there anything any of the Democrats could have done this year to get in a better position, or was it Donald Trump’s election to win or lose?

“What the Democrats should have done if they were really serious about beating Trump would have been to rally around one candidate right from the start and not have a protracted battle in which people get wounded,” Norpoth said. “They needed to pick one person and have everybody else take a pass. That’s the only way I could see that my model would have worked in their favor.”

Norpoth, who has studied election primaries going back to 1912, is confident of the math behind his model. While some might suspect that unusual circumstances — e.g., the COVID-19 pandemic and the civil unrest in the wake of the George Floyd killing — might have an unpredictable effect on the election results, Norpoth said those crises have no bearing on his projection.

“My prediction is what I call ‘unconditional final,’” he said. “It does not change. It’s a mathematical model based on things that have happened. The presidential election of 2016 has happened, the primary results are in. I can add in the results of more primaries, but even those numbers have happened and can’t change either.”

Norpoth also scoffed when asked to comment on the argument that the Trump presidency has been widely described as being “unlike any previous presidency.”

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Former U.S. President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden congratulate U.S. President Donald Trump on the day of his inauguration. (Photo by Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
“Every president is unique, and I think people get a little carried away with that description,” he said. “Obama was the first Black president. Is that not unique? If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, she would have been the first woman president. Is that not unique? I grant that Trump is in many ways a very special kind of character, but I think we also tend to exaggerate that.”

One model change Norpoth has made for the upcoming election has been to focus on the Electoral College.

“Now I predict straight to the Electoral College,” he said. “I’ve never done that before, but I made an adjustment because of the mismatch we had in 2016, and I’m prepared to see Trump lose the popular vote again. So this prediction is entirely about the electoral votes.”

Norpoth said that while he manages not to get emotionally connected to these projections, the reactions to his projections sometimes do take an emotional toll.

“I get a lot of reactions, and I get a lot of mail,” he said. “Some of the comments are unprintable. I do get backlash, and I get it from people whose opinions I value, people who are friends. And I can tell that some people find it difficult. So there is an emotional part that goes on.”

But at the core, said Norpoth, it’s just math.

“Everybody thinks Trump is going to go down in flames, and here I am predicting with almost total certainty that he’s going to win,” he concluded. “It seems crazy. But it’s not.”

Twenty-five of the last 27 U.S presidential elections can vouch for that.

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in reality he did not miss kennedy or george "magog" bush being they both really lost and cheated their way in

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Originally Posted by hatari
Model makes perfect sense. The stronger candidate in the Primaries wins. Biden struggled to beat Bernie. Bernies people were more enthusiastic and energized. Biden lost to Sanders in
Iowa
New Hampshire
California
Colorado
Nevada

BTW, Harris got all of 129 votes in New Hampshire)


This should make most of you rest a little easier, and a give a select few indigestion. wink

for the second time in a row the old jewish communist "lost" due to cheating by haggary and hiden biden

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Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE
Biden (D)
Trump (R)
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RCP Average 9/27 - 10/11 -- -- 52.3 41.8 Biden +10.5
IBD/TIPP 10/7 - 10/11 851 LV 3.5 53 42 Biden +11
ABC News/Wash Post 10/6 - 10/9 725 LV 4.0 55 43 Biden +12
Economist/YouGov 10/4 - 10/6 1364 LV 4.8 51 42 Biden +9
The Hill/HarrisX 10/3 - 10/6 2841 RV 1.8 45 40 Biden +5
FOX News 10/3 - 10/6 1012 LV 3.0 53 43 Biden +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/2 - 10/6 882 LV 3.8 52 40 Biden +12
CNBC/Change Research (D)* 10/2 - 10/4 2167 LV 2.1 52 42 Biden +10
Rasmussen Reports 9/30 - 10/6 2500 LV 2.0 52 40 Biden +12
SurveyUSA 10/1 - 10/4 1114 LV 3.6 53 43 Biden +10
CNN 10/1 - 10/4 1001 LV 3.6 57 41 Biden +16
JTN/RMG Research* 10/1 - 10/3 763 LV 3.5 51 43 Biden +8
USC Dornsife 9/27 - 10/10 5099 LV -- 54 42 Biden +12

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html


Here are some polling numbers from this time frame in 2016. I'm guessing that the ones you posted might be wrong as well.


CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 51 45 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32255 LV 1.0 50 44 Clinton +6
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10

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Originally Posted by SPQR70AD

in reality he did not miss kennedy or bush



You could make that arguement and then the model would be 100% accurate.

No doubt that this mail in thing could be a factor. but the under 30 crowd doesn't use mail - even e-mail. Might not affect them at all.

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Originally Posted by hatari
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in reality he did not miss kennedy or george "magog" bush being they both really lost and cheated their way in



You could make that arguement and then the model would be 100% accurate.

No doubt that this mail in thing could be a factor. but the under 30 crowd doesn't use mail - even e-mail. Might not affect them at all.[/quote]


The “mail in thing” is less about who will use it and who won’t use it and everything to do with Fraud, Ballot theft, illegal ballots and ballot harvesting.

The Democrats are not using this mail in thing to get more Democrats to vote, this strategy works both ways. They are using it to Steal this election,

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Originally Posted by benquick
[quote=hatari]
Joe and the Ho are in big trouble!
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Another racist pig's post.


If some one calls another a racist, doesn't that make the accuser a racist themselves?

have you considered a drug overdose as a solution for those personal emotional problems you have on line?


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Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
That article is from August. I might have agreed with the conclusion back in January of February but if you’ve been watching anything the last few months it would be apparent that a Trump victory via landslide is the most unlikely outcome.

I believe it’s more likely that all this hand wringing about mail in voting is for naught as Biden may well win in a landslide on election night

Don’t shoot the messenger, I just call it like I see it


I trust Trump at face value and he doesn't need to prove himself..

what I don't trust, is the strength and orchestration of leftist corruption and fraud...

I just pray its 2016 all over again...

I also hope to start seeing conservative physical response to BLM and Antifa and all of their crap...


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Hatari, you continue to find ways to give me great encouragement; thank you, I hope you and the model you cite are correct.


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What stuns me about this election is the volcanic level of leftist money that has erupted.


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Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
That article is from August. I might have agreed with the conclusion back in January of February but if you’ve been watching anything the last few months it would be apparent that a Trump victory via landslide is the most unlikely outcome.

I believe it’s more likely that all this hand wringing about mail in voting is for naught as Biden may well win in a landslide on election night

Don’t shoot the messenger, I just call it like I see it

Whats particularly telling is the huge crowd Slo Joe and Hoe attract where ever they go. whistle


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