Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters H414 discontinued 😡

Damn!
That and R19 are my two favorites. Pissed me off!
This spherical powder has a wide range of uses, from 22-250 Remington to 375 H&H. It is simply ideal in the 30/06.

“As with all of our spherical powders, it delivers incredibly consistent charge weights through nearly any type of powder measure. H414 yields similar results to H4350 in most cartridges, although charge weights will vary.

This powder was discontinued in 2020.”

I wonder if they are keeping Win 760 in the lineup. As Hodgdon gobbles more companies, I think we are going to see more of this.

I'm pretty sure Win 760 is not going away. They save money by not packaging the same thing in two different jugs. Call Hodgdon for the straight scoop.

Kinda like 4227 becoming just one label. Why keep two brands for one powder when you own both brands.

Just go with 760 and don’t look back.

DF

4227 used to be two different powders entirely between the IMR and Hodgdon versions, though, when they were made in different places.

I picked up a 357 Herrett barrel some years ago, and then found out the cartridge was designed around the specific density and burn rate of H4227. It's been a PITA trying to duplicate the performance claimed from the H4227 data using other powders.

Shouldn’t be an issue, H-414 vs 760.

DF

HuntnShoot,

Actually, there are three "kinds" of 4227, though it's somewhat confusing. H4227 is one of the Extreme temp-resistant powders, is made by Australian Defence Industries--but ADI also makes some IMR4227, though there are conflicting reports about how that differs from H4227. Hodgdon told me it was made to the same specifications as the IMR4227 made in Canada, but I have found reports on the Internet where ADI claimed it was the same as H4227. The Canadian IMR4227 is supposedly similar to the powder made by DuPont in the U.S. for many years.

Actually I'm surprised they didn't scrap the 760 label for the Hodgdon label.

In a more general comment, I wonder what will happen with W760 now that Hodgdon owns Western Powders. In my experience Ramshot Big Game is similar to 414/760 in burn rate, but is cleaner burning and far less temperature sensitive.

I still keep some 760 around for handloading article, where published data shows it to be a good choice for a specific application. But I haven't chosen it for any of my own rifle handloads since Big Game appeared about 20 years ago.

Wasn’t Accurate 2700 also identical to 414/760? I’m guessing if BigGame is the same but better then 2700 must have been discontinued awhile back.

JB, this is as good a time as any to ask a primer question. Do you use magnum primers with Big Game or at least a Win WLR? I have gotten away from Winchester primers and don't want to have to stock magnum primers. I know the WLR is supposed to be hotter than most if not all standard LR primers, more like a magnum of other brands. Will a CCI 200 be hot enough for use with Big Game? I think our resident Big Game expert, Pharmseller, uses Winchester Magnum WLRM primers in his 7MM08. I would be using it in a 243, 7mm08 and 7x57. Maybe a 6.5 Creedless. Thanks.

Really good info here guys, thanks!

On another track, is R19 discontinued or just unavailable at this time. Haven't seen it in ages it seems.

Love H414 in a 30.06 with a 165 grain bullet.

I will not lament the loss of H-414 as long as win-760 is available.....IMO they are the same adentical powder......and a darn good one at that.

My 7-08 likes H414 but likes Big Game just a tad better. I've got about 10 lbs of H414 so unless they quit making Big Game Ive got all I'll ever need.

What a mess...

Regarding my purposes, 4227 in its current IMR formula doesn't get me anywhere near the reported performance of the H4227 that Milek and Herrett used to develop the 357 Herrett. Lil Gun is the closest powder I've found so far, but the results have not yet been great. Any recommendations, John?

In your opinion? You don't believe Hodgdon's data? Or is that what you base your opinion on? :-)

You might try Alliant 300-MP. It's a little slower than Li'l Gun.

I have 760 and 414, good powder(s). Just don’t use it/them much these days, prefer the newer ones, like BG.

Technology moves on, so why shouldn’t I.

And no I don’t think smokeless powder is a passing fad....😎

DF