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150 and 180gr .3006 at dunhams. Lots if 270 win also ( all remington ammo )
165s are gone.
LGS is out of 3006 too. Ill proly buy a few boxes of 150s this week. Was there looking at treestand crap earlier today.
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Up until about three years ago, I believed that you could get decent 30-06 hunting ammo anywhere that people hunt, so the 30-06 was a superb (possibly even morally superior) choice. Then I ran into a situation that made me question that. On the way to a pig hunt in northern California, I stopped at the In-and-Out Market in Palo Cedro, CA. I always check ammo in little roadside stores, and this place had easily the weirdest inventory I’ve ever seen in one place: - 1 box of 225 Winchester (never seen this in the wild)
- 1 box of S&B 5.6x52R (Euro name for the 22 Savage Hi-Power, had to Google it)
- 6 boxes of fresh Federal 25-06
- 6-8 boxes of Federal 7x57 Mauser 175 RN
- 10 boxes of fresh Federal 7mm Winchester Short Magnum
- 6-8 boxes of fresh Federal 7mm Remington Magnum
- 6-8 boxes of fresh Federal & Fiocchi 308 Winchester
- 3 boxes of fresh PPU 303 British
- 1 box of Hornady 32 Special
- 2 boxes of Federal 338 Winchester Magnum 250-grain Woodleigh
- 1 box of 358 Winchester 200-grain PPT
- 2 boxes of 375 RUM
- 3 boxes of Hornady 450 Marlin
They had plenty of service pistol ammo, rimfire, 7.62x36, 5.56 NATO, and assorted 12-gauge but only ONE, count ‘em ONE box of 30-06. To add insult to injury, it was American Eagle 147-grain FMJ. There was not a single softpoint 30-06 cartridge in the place. Here's what it looked like The ONE box of 30-06 is on the second shelf up just to the right of the centerline. Evidently they used to have an FFL but gave it up after state laws became too onerous. As noted, some of the ammo was fresh so that's probably what locals use most of the time. The rest must have been NOS. In this area, that makes a certain amount of sense given that you’re probably either shooting pigs inside of 150 yards or blacktail-mule-deer hybrids at fairly long range, but it’s still jarring to see the 30-06 so under-represented. Seems almost unpatriotic... So I stand corrected on the whole “30-06 wins at logistics” thing. Okie John
If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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haven't bought any center fire factory ammo in 50 years
T R U M P W O N !
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Up until about three years ago, I believed that you could get decent 30-06 hunting ammo anywhere that people hunt, so the 30-06 was a superb (possibly even morally superior) choice.
Then I ran into a situation that made me question that.
Okie John That's quite the exception though. Pretty cool they had a box of 358 Win. An older white box at that. I don't know if Winchester ever put 358 Win in a gray box. I've got two factory silver tip cartridges left from a box I picked up in 2008. And it probably sat on the shelf for years then.
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With stories like these, I'm glad to be a Loony, rolling my own.
And, as such, I keep enough primers, powder and bullets in stock to out last just about any shortage.
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Jerry No doubt its because of all the ammo I've stockpiled. 🤣 Seriously though right back at ya bud. 👍
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John - what 30-30 are you seeing? We have been totally wiped out here for weeks. I talked to a couple LGS guys, they said when panic buyers couldn't get stuff they really wanted, they started buying lever guns and all the 30-30 ammo just to have *something* under the bed. Can't even find it online. I've got quite a bit stashed away, but never would've guessed 30-30 as a panic cartridge. Weirdly, 270 is the ONLY thing still sitting on shelves here in smaller stores. I would've thought that went before the 7 mag, etc. 5 years ago when ammo was short the only high power ammo left on the Walmart shelves was .270. I only need some Varget to make my 30-06 ammo. I do have Winchester 748 if anyone has some good recipes for the M1 Garand. kwg
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haven't bought any center fire factory ammo in 50 years
In 2007 I HAD to buy 270 W factory ammo BECAUSE I was moving and ALL my stuff was packed up. In 2008 I HAD to buy 300 WM factory ammo BECAUSE I bought the rifle on OPENING Day (Saturday) of Deer Season and had NO brass. Everything else but BRASS. On Monday, 2 days later, I shot/zeroed the rifle and Tuesday I killed my largest BODIED buck YET! BEFORE those 2 years I have NO idea when I bought factory ammo. (C F rifle ammo) Jerry
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dammit, the hardware store don't have any 3" 410 shotshells.....
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Picked up a few boxes of .30-06 150gr Corelokts. $18.99 a box. They had maybe 20 boxes of 180gr on the shelf. Same price.
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Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... No sympathy from me, you need smarter friends. Mb Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... From experience, IMO your friend would be better off with 165s in the 308 than 180s. I've owned, loaded, graphed, and hunted the 308. The powder magazine isn't large enuff to push the 180s FOR ME. Jerry No kidding. Proper prior planning prevents piss-poor performance. Jerry, I’ve tried to tell him that for years. 180’s are too slow in most factory .308 loads. I’ve never chronographed any since the ones I tried (once) didn’t shoot well in my rifle. I’m betting 180 gr Remington factory loads don’t break 2,500 fps. I saw a test with 22” barrel that averaged 2,472 fps. Not worth a schit for shooting at big critters way out there. Happy Trails
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Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... How many rounds does he need? Eight rounds would get me through at least 5 or six seasons.
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Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... How many rounds does he need? Eight rounds would get me through at least 5 or six seasons. Ditto. He said he fired 9 rounds to kill 2 critters year before last. Amazing, I know....
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Was at Walmart yesterday (Everett, WA) and took a look at their ammo supply for 30-06.
They had one box.
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[quote=WAM]Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... How many rounds does he need? Eight rounds would get me through at least 5 or six seasons. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Yes, IF you ONLY shoot during deer season. I never take a rifle that I have NOT shot to verify the zero. AT LEAST. Jerry
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[quote=jwall]
From experience, IMO your friend would be better off with 165s in the 308 than 180s. I've owned, loaded, graphed, and hunted the 308. The powder magazine isn't large enuff to push the 180s FOR ME.
Jerry, I’ve tried to tell him that for years. 180’s are too slow in most factory .308 loads. I’ve never chronographed any since the ones I tried (once) didn’t shoot well in my rifle. I’m betting 180 gr Remington factory loads don’t break 2,500 fps. I saw a test with 22” barrel that averaged 2,472 fps. Not worth a schit for shooting at big critters way out there. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx TRY telling that to many HERE. Jerry
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Was just at two LGS yesterday and at Sportsman’s Warehouse, all had .30-06 in stock. Heck SW and one other had 5.56 and .223 in stock. The last one we hit even had 7.62x39 in stock. Not a one had powder that is commonly mentioned except for 1lb or Ramshot, 1lb of Magnum at one and the other had H-414 in stock. One had CCI large rifle primers. Between all of them, they had all types of primers though very low in quantity.
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Don't gave a huge amount here at home.
But boy do I have powder, bullets, and primers.
A good bit of 4895, Varget, Unique, and Universal. By design. I can load anything I shoot, and things I don't, This is where i've been for years. Reminds me I want to order some Hammer Hunters. Don't reload for my shotguns and dove is the only high volume shooting there so my inventory will keep me going on upland for 10 years or so. Buddy thought I was nuts until he could not find what he needed recently.
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Friend of mine was in a panic because he only had 8 rounds of 180 gr .308 ammo and could not find any! There was some 165 and 150 so I told him to go with the 165 but oh no. Wait until one week before elk opener..... How many rounds does he need? Eight rounds would get me through at least 5 or six seasons. Never has been hard to decipher who shoots and who don't
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