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Just trying to save you all some headaches. Good Luck! ..............Not saving me from any headaches.. There are many cartridges which are ballistically better in every category than is the 30-06. I own 4 of them. However, I will give credit where credit is due. The 30-06 is no doubt one of the best all-around cartridges in terms of factory ammo availability, the amount of factory rifles available chambered for it, offering lesser recoil than the bigger magnums, reduced factory ammo costs, reduced brass costs for the reloader, very accurate, outstanding bullet selections, will certainly satisfy most hunting requirements and on and on....Yeah ok, I get all that. But when one's recoil tolerances can easily handle the magnums, when one's budget can easily handle any additional costs in owning those magnums; ie rifle costs, factory ammo costs, reloading costs etc, then NO, the 30-06 is not the do all and end all when it comes down to "there is nothing greater" in rifle cartridges. So! Would you like us non 30-06 owners to sell our more powerful pieces to then mainly own 30-06s? Maybe you started this thread to save our wallets from higher costs and our shoulders from more felt recoil? lol.............Well thank you, but no thank you. Not selling any one nor any remaining three of my cartridge choices below to then buy a 30-06. Nor do I intend to add a 30-06 as a fifth rifle. For the majority, there is nothing greater than a 30-06. However some of us are not in the majority. Therefore the 30-06, regardless of all its wonderful attributes and for it to be considered in terms of "there is nothing greater?" The dept of ballistics in all categories will have a few things to say about that....
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Jwall, some things just work, don't they?
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Just trying to save you all some headaches. Good Luck! ..............Not saving me from any headaches.. There are many cartridges which are ballistically better in every category than is the 30-06. I own 4 of them. However, I will give credit where credit is due. The 30-06 is no doubt one of the best all-around cartridges in terms of factory ammo availability, the amount of factory rifles available chambered for it, offering lesser recoil than the bigger magnums, reduced factory ammo costs, reduced brass costs for the reloader, very accurate, outstanding bullet selections, will certainly satisfy most hunting requirements and on and on....Yeah ok, I get all that. But when one's recoil tolerances can easily handle the magnums, when one's budget can easily handle any additional costs in owning those magnums; ie rifle costs, factory ammo costs, reloading costs etc, then NO, the 30-06 is not the do all and end all when it comes down to "there is nothing greater" in rifle cartridges. So! Would you like us non 30-06 owners to sell our more powerful pieces to then mainly own 30-06s? Maybe you started this thread to save our wallets from higher costs and our shoulders from more felt recoil? lol.............Well thank you, but no thank you. Not selling any one nor any remaining three of my cartridge choices below to then buy a 30-06. Nor do I intend to add a 30-06 as a fifth rifle. For the majority, there is nothing greater than a 30-06. However some of us are not in the majority. Therefore the 30-06, regardless of all its wonderful attributes and for it to be considered in terms of "there is nothing greater?" The dept of ballistics in all categories will have a few things to say about that.... I’m sorry you like to aggravate yourself
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Jwall, some things just work, don't they? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY !! It’s not my # 1 cartridge....It’s a good all around , Hard to beat for versatility, AMERICAN cartridge. I have other “Target Specific” better cartridges but the 06 DESERVES its rightful place, honor, & respect. Jerry
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Mr Harry, in my experience, the 358 winchester will launch from a 20" barrel:
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That is on par with the 30-06. Anyhow having put away thousands of lbs of moose n caribou meat with the 358, dont sweat the hypothetical ballistic bullsht. Get your a s s in gear and go buy one. You won't regret it. Hahaha. Just socking away the $ and waiting for the right rifle to appear. Not like there’s tons of them around. I missed out on one I could kick myself for. Another Will come. Nice, good luck. If prices are too steep, grab up any 243, 260, 7mm-08, or 308 and send to jes reboring. It'll come back to you a 358 win for about $250. http://www.35caliber.com/8.htmlYup. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...mber-montana-358-winchester#Post15300828I also have a Kimber Montana in .30-06 that shoots the 165 Accubond into bugholes over H4350.
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280 should have settled the argument but Remington made sure to butcher it. They can fook up the promotion of a cartridge better than anybody. Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation  17rem 5mm Remington 222 rem 222 rem mag 6mm rem 6.5 rem mag 280 rem 7mm SAUM 300 SAUM 8mm Remington 350 Rem mag 7mm RUM 300 RUM 338RUM Did I miss any? I just remembered, didn’t Remington introduce a 30 cal AR cartridge a few years back? I think it was introduced right before the 1st ammo scare and never took off.
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280 should have settled the argument but Remington made sure to butcher it. They can fook up the promotion of a cartridge better than anybody. Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation 17rem 5mm Remington 222 rem 222 rem mag 6mm rem 6.5 rem mag 280 rem 7mm SAUM 300 SAUM 8mm Remington 350 Rem mag 7mm RUM 300 RUM 338RUM Did I miss any? I just remembered, didn’t Remington introduce a 30 cal AR cartridge a few years back? I think it was introduced right before the 1st ammo scare and never took off. Well, they got the 25/06 right....
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Let's face it, there are many "better" cartridges than the '06 depending upon your definition of "better", but the '06 offers a very nice balance of bore size, versatility, ballistics, recoil, barrel life, and availability of ammo and availability of chambered rifles.
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It’s also the most talked about cartridge ever.
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Let's face it, there are many "better" cartridges than the '06 depending upon your definition of "better", but the '06 offers a very nice balance of bore size, versatility, ballistics, recoil, barrel life, and availability of ammo and availability of chambered rifles. And THAT, is what makes it great!
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I have done everything I could to avoid using the old .30-06 for most of my life just because everyone had one. I would buy one every now and then just because it was chambered in a Rifle I liked but always ended up selling them. I tried all the calibers around it .270, .280, 8x57mm, 7x57, .300 H&H and God knows what else. Now that I am past 50 I find that when I want to use a scoped rifle I reach for a Steyr Mannlicher Model M Professional in.30-06 with a Kahles 6x scope. Simple and uncomplicated and just works. It makes sense now after all these years ![[Linked Image from ]]( https://i.postimg.cc/25g41mVG/9-EF8440-D-9-E93-4-CF0-9-B2-F-3-FF17-A1167-FD.jpg)
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Took ya long enuff !!  Jerry
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It’s also the most talked about cartridge ever. EVEN the 'man buns'  Jerry
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Yes Ricky, it’s a very good “little” round!  memtb
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Just trying to save you all some headaches. Good Luck! ..............Not saving me from any headaches.. There are many cartridges which are ballistically better in every category than is the 30-06. I own 4 of them. However, I will give credit where credit is due. The 30-06 is no doubt one of the best all-around cartridges in terms of factory ammo availability, the amount of factory rifles available chambered for it, offering lesser recoil than the bigger magnums, reduced factory ammo costs, reduced brass costs for the reloader, very accurate, outstanding bullet selections, will certainly satisfy most hunting requirements and on and on....Yeah ok, I get all that. But when one's recoil tolerances can easily handle the magnums, when one's budget can easily handle any additional costs in owning those magnums; ie rifle costs, factory ammo costs, reloading costs etc, then NO, the 30-06 is not the do all and end all when it comes down to "there is nothing greater" in rifle cartridges. So! Would you like us non 30-06 owners to sell our more powerful pieces to then mainly own 30-06s? Maybe you started this thread to save our wallets from higher costs and our shoulders from more felt recoil? lol.............Well thank you, but no thank you. Not selling any one nor any remaining three of my cartridge choices below to then buy a 30-06. Nor do I intend to add a 30-06 as a fifth rifle. For the majority, there is nothing greater than a 30-06. However some of us are not in the majority. Therefore the 30-06, regardless of all its wonderful attributes and for it to be considered in terms of "there is nothing greater?" The dept of ballistics in all categories will have a few things to say about that.... I’m sorry you like to aggravate yourself ....LOL>>>LOL...............Not aggravated and don't be sorry....In fact my first rifle fired at 9 years old was my dad's sporterized 30-06.
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In Australia they use 30-06 for everything including 2000lb scrub bulls(feral cattle). Bullets of choice 200+ grain round noses. Has also taken water buffalo, which is a tougher animal. Not the ideal stopper rifle but gets the job done, I dont know anyone killed using a 30-06.
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"All Hail the 30-06!!"...😁......Hb
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