The THREE Greatest

270, 30-06, 7 mm Rem Mag.

Lesser caretridges are well........less


Jerry

LOL, just dug my pre-64 300 H&H out of the safe last night before bed, have a bag of at least 250 rounds of handloads with 220gr Partitions at 2750 fps sitting by the back door, will grab a cardboard box and go see where they land through the receiver peep this morning.

280 should have settled the argument but Remington made sure to butcher it.

I bet they don't bounce off. That particular recipe sounds like a drill.

There is nothing greater than the 30-06 so quit trying

I do like this little tidbit, although easily outdone..

223 w/ 75 HPBT



30-06 167 Scenar

You all really need to try the 7.62x63 and then watch yourself throw your 30-06 rifles in the trash

I don't know where you get that data....I push the 75's to 3k out of several 22" bolt guns.

And that isn't the BC Lapua lists for the 167 Scenar. And why would I pick a 167 with a lower BC than the 155, and then shoot it at a weak speed? Why not pick the 155 and shoot it around 3k?

Or try the .300 Whelen.

I wanted a do all bad weather rifle.....a Stanley claw hammer type of tool.

.3006 in a synth stock.

Yup it is boring. It works. Nothing fancy.
Reliable. Believe or not can buy ammo anywhere as cheap as it can be had.

My 30 06 is going to morph into a 338-06 this winter.

No doubt about about it. That’s softball factory loaded stuff. The 167 Scenar is G7.

I’ve still got a stash of handloaded 155’s, hard to beat in an ‘06. However, my days of riding a rockchucker are long behind me.

Or try the .300 Whelen.

It's anti American to not own at least one 30 06. Don't use much anymore, but it's my big gun for Elk!

30-06, nothing more than one of the many the offspring of the 8 X 57...and almost as good as its parent.

The THREE Greatest

270, 30-06, 7 mm Rem Mag.

Nope. 7x57.

I've read that poppycock here a few Xs and YET have to find any documentation to verify it.

The 8X57 is shorter TO START WITH than the 30-06. The 30-03 can be considered the parent cartridge but...

Please supply a link to document your assertion.


Jerry

........if only I would have kept the .30-06 that I had after my .270 (that I got at the ripe old age of 10) and spent all that money I’ve spent on rifles since trying to seek “perfection” - oh the hunts I could’ve had🥴

PennDog

Honestly I have a few Xs, even earlier today.

LINK ?

280: the synthesis of two Greats, the 270 and 30-06

280 for the win.

I'm ashamed ...
An ot6 and a 8x57
LOL!!!
only bolt center fires I have.

Also Wikipedia did NOT mention the 8X57 in the development of the 30-06

30-40 Krag---30-03--30-06

Specifically stated the 30-03 is the PARENT case.

They can fook up the promotion of a cartridge better than anybody.

Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation


17rem
5mm Remington
222 rem
222 rem mag
6mm rem
6.5 rem mag
280 rem
7mm SAUM
300 SAUM
8mm Remington
350 Rem mag
7mm RUM
300 RUM
338RUM

Did I miss any?

Oh, I didn’t see the 260 mentioned.

You forgot the .375 RUM.

I've read that poppycock here a few Xs and YET have to find any documentation to verify it.

The 8X57 is shorter TO START WITH than the 30-06. The 30-03 can be considered the parent cartridge but...

Please supply a link to document your assertion.


Jerry

I have a Rem M 700 .375 RUM.

I'm not trying to argue, but the parent case of the 357 magnum would be the 38 special, would it not?

That is a VALID point on that cartridge.

ATST... I've searched many references and NONE mentioned the 8X57 'case' as the parent case.

Check, 8X57 vs 30-06, 30-06 origin and anything you can find.... I'll gladly read.

The 8mm BULLETs were pointed and LED to pointed 30 cal bullets.
The 30-03 was developed to REPLACE the 30-40 Krag.
The 30-06 was REdesigned FOR 150 gr bullets.

That 'summarizes' my research.

TRUTH ! I have NOT read ONE reference (authority) that links the 30-06 case to the 8X57 case.

I'm STILL looking. I'm NOT arguing either. Looking for FACTS.


Jerry

gnoahh

Yes I understand what you are saying AND
maybe they didnt want to reveal what they were doing ? ?

BUT I’ve really looked a lot of places and ‘so far’ I have not found 1 source
that said or showed the 8x57 case’s relativity to the 06.

30-40 K, > 30-03 > 30-06 is substituted.

I really am looking for an authoritative source to verify what some folks
are saying.

Without a reliable source the claim is
Poppycock...to me.

Thanks for your ideas.

Jerry

Here is a link which shows some history
http://www.asymco.com/2010/03/11/the-tale-of-the-spitzer-bullet-patent-lawsuit/

We copied the Mauser rifle and it’s cartridge so closely that we lost a court case and were ordered to pay royalties to the Mauser company. Same rim, same case head diameter, same body taper, and same neck angle. We weren’t into metrics, so it was in .30 caliber instead of 7 or 8 mm. We lengthened it a bit, probably to try to get a few differences so we could try to avoid some of those royalties instead of for any performance gain.

Or, maybe it took a little more length to get 7.92x57 velocities with a slightly smaller in diameter bullet of nearly equivalent weight.
In any case, the performance was an almost identical match for the 7.92x57 in a cartridge that was obviously developed from it. When the Germans changed to a 153 grain spitzer in 1903 increasing the velocity of their cartridge to about 2,700 feet per second, we followed suit a few years later and the 30-06 was born with almost identical numbers once again.

Probably...

Or Maybe...

Source.


Jerry

What I don’t get is the .308. Why? Especially nowadays when so many rifles have one action length. If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

We copied the Mauser rifle and it’s cartridge so closely that we lost a court case and were ordered to pay royalties to the Mauser company. Same rim, same case head diameter, same body taper, and same neck angle. We weren’t into metrics, so it was in .30 caliber instead of 7 or 8 mm. We lengthened it a bit, probably to try to get a few differences so we could try to avoid some of those royalties instead of for any performance gain. Or, maybe it took a little more length to get 7.92x57 velocities with a slightly smaller in diameter bullet of nearly equivalent weight. In any case, the performance was an almost identical match for the 7.92x57 in a cartridge that was obviously developed from it. When the Germans changed to a 153 grain spitzer in 1903 increasing the velocity of their cartridge to about 2,700 feet per second, we followed suit a few years later and the 30-06 was born with almost identical numbers once again.

What I don’t get is the .308. Why? Especially nowadays when so many rifles have one action length. If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

You can make the same argument for the 308. And these days the 308 is winning that argument

And that just goes to show how dumb people are. The advantage of a .308 is near 30-06 performance in a short action which makes for a lighter and handier rifle. A .308 in a long action is just an anemic 30-06.

[quote=JoeBob]

We copied the Mauser rifle and it’s cartridge so closely that we lost a court case and were ordered to pay royalties to the Mauser company. Same rim, same case head diameter, same body taper, and same neck angle. We weren’t into metrics, so it was in .30 caliber instead of 7 or 8 mm. We lengthened it a bit, probably to try to get a few differences so we could try to avoid some of those royalties instead of for any performance gain. Or, maybe it took a little more length to get 7.92x57 velocities with a slightly smaller in diameter bullet of nearly equivalent weight. In any case, the performance was an almost identical match for the 7.92x57 in a cartridge that was obviously developed from it. When the Germans changed to a 153 grain spitzer in 1903 increasing the velocity of their cartridge to about 2,700 feet per second, we followed suit a few years later and the 30-06 was born with almost identical numbers once again.

[quote=moosemike][quote=JoeBob]What I don’t get is the .308. Why? Especially nowadays when so many rifles have one action length. If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

You can make the same argument for the 308. And these days the 308 is winning that argument
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And that just goes to show how dumb people are. The advantage of a .308 is near 30-06 performance in a short action which makes for a lighter and handier rifle. A .308 in a long action is just an anemic 30-06.

And that just goes to show how dumb people are. The advantage of a .308 is near 30-06 performance in a short action which makes for a lighter and handier rifle. A .308 in a long action is just an anemic 30-06.

[quote=jwall]


Check, 8X57 vs 30-06, 30-06 origin and anything you can find.... I'll gladly read.

The 8mm BULLETs were pointed and LED to pointed 30 cal bullets.
The 30-03 was developed to REPLACE the 30-40 Krag.
The 30-06 was REdesigned FOR 150 gr bullets.

That 'summarizes' my research.

TRUTH ! I have NOT read ONE reference (authority) that links the 30-06 case to the 8X57 case.

I'm STILL looking. I'm NOT arguing either. Looking for FACTS.
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Here is a link which shows some history
http://www.asymco.com/2010/03/11/the-tale-of-the-spitzer-bullet-patent-lawsuit/

I sorta get tired of hearing about short actions ...

280 is where it's at

I sorta get tired of hearing about short actions ...

The 30-06 works great. Especially if you are after something big like elk,moose,or big bears or boars. It will kill all of the above without outrageous recoil.

For deer,I want something that kicks less and/or shoots flatter at normal hunting ranges of 500 yards or less.

Last few years I've been using a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 120 grain monolithic bullet at 3000 fps. It shoots flatter and/or kicks less than a 30-06.

This year I'm going to try a 7mm-08 with a 120 grain monolithic bullet. Also going try a 243 with the 90 grain accubond. May even take my CZ in 6.5 Grendel. It shoots about as flat as a 30-06 and has a lot less recoil.

That was a lawsuit involving the Springfield 1903 and the Mauser 98. Mauser won the lawsuit and Springfield had to pay royalties until August 1914 when WW1 started.

-----------------------------------------

BINGO ! Springfield 1903 VERSUS Mauser *** NOT 8X57 vs 30-06.

Uh Huh. Thank You Elks

Jerry

They could have quit with the original short mag.

What I don’t get is the .308. Why? Especially nowadays when so many rifles have one action length. If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

If a .308 is the exact same length and weight of a 30-06, why not just get the 30-06? A .308 Tikka or Ruger American Rifle seems like the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard, unless you are going to chop the barrel to about 18 or 20 inches.

280 is where it's at

.........

the 30-06 is none of these things ----------------------------other then being the best for the most usage, over the most areas, and the most types of game to be killed. But that's all.

O6 is okay, but there are lots better rounds!!!

We copied the Mauser rifle and it’s cartridge so closely that we lost a court case and were ordered to pay royalties to the Mauser company. Same rim, same case head diameter, same body taper, and same neck angle. We weren’t into metrics, so it was in .30 caliber instead of 7 or 8 mm. We lengthened it a bit, probably to try to get a few differences so we could try to avoid some of those royalties instead of for any performance gain. Or, maybe it took a little more length to get 7.92x57 velocities with a slightly smaller in diameter bullet of nearly equivalent weight. In any case, the performance was an almost identical match for the 7.92x57 in a cartridge that was obviously developed from it. When the Germans changed to a 153 grain spitzer in 1903 increasing the velocity of their cartridge to about 2,700 feet per second, we followed suit a few years later and the 30-06 was born with almost identical numbers once again.

FIRST WCH,

I’ll never call you Sam E again !! He AINT what he acts !!! Lost all respect for him.





Now, where does that leave the 308 ?
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Out of my book !


Jerry
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If I was starting out today as a new hunter the 308 would be on my short list. The 30-06 wouldn't make the cut. And I own both and mostly hunt with the 30-06

Pass the 308 or 270...

the 30-06 is none of these things ----------------------------other then being the best < for the most usage> , over the most areas, and the most types of game to be killed. But that's all.

Good BEST for nothing, used for everything.

The THREE Greatest

270, 30-06, 7 mm Rem Mag.

Lesser caretridges are well........less

Jerry

[quote=jwall]The THREE Greatest

270, 30-06, 7 mm Rem Mag.

Lesser caretridges are well........less

Jerry

The two rifles I would keep if all the others had to go:

- lever 30-30
- bolt 30-06

like em' both

The only problem with the .30-06 as a big game cartridge is it is so versatile it is boring 😀

Just trying to save you all some headaches. Good Luck!

Mr Harry, in my experience, the 358 winchester will launch from a 20" barrel:

275 grain woodleigh @ 2200 fps
250 grain a-frame @ 2400 fps
225 grain partition @ 2500 fps
200 grain ttsx @ 2700fps

Alliant RL 10x used for all the above loads.

That is on par with the 30-06. Anyhow having put away thousands of lbs of moose n caribou meat with the 358, dont sweat the hypothetical ballistic bullsht. Get your a s s in gear and go buy one. You won't regret it.

Mr Harry, in my experience, the 358 winchester will launch from a 20" barrel:

275 grain woodleigh @ 2200 fps
250 grain a-frame @ 2400 fps
225 grain partition @ 2500 fps
200 grain ttsx @ 2700fps

Alliant RL 10x used for all the above loads.

That is on par with the 30-06. Anyhow having put away thousands of lbs of moose n caribou meat with the 358, dont sweat the hypothetical ballistic bullsht. Get your a s s in gear and go buy one. You won't regret it.

Hahaha.
Just socking away the $ and waiting for the right rifle to appear. Not like there’s tons of them around. I missed out on one I could kick myself for. Another Will come.

Mr Harry, in my experience, the 358 winchester will launch from a 20" barrel:

275 grain woodleigh @ 2200 fps
250 grain a-frame @ 2400 fps
225 grain partition @ 2500 fps
200 grain ttsx @ 2700fps

Alliant RL 10x used for all the above loads.

That is on par with the 30-06. Anyhow having put away thousands of lbs of moose n caribou meat with the 358, dont sweat the hypothetical ballistic bullsht. Get your a s s in gear and go buy one. You won't regret it.

Just trying to save you all some headaches. Good Luck!

..............Not saving me from any headaches.. There are many cartridges which are ballistically better in every category than is the 30-06. I own 4 of them. However, I will give credit where credit is due. The 30-06 is no doubt one of the best all-around cartridges in terms of factory ammo availability, the amount of factory rifles available chambered for it, offering lesser recoil than the bigger magnums, reduced factory ammo costs, reduced brass costs for the reloader, very accurate, outstanding bullet selections, will certainly satisfy most hunting requirements and on and on....Yeah ok, I get all that.

But when one's recoil tolerances can easily handle the magnums, when one's budget can easily handle any additional costs in owning those magnums; ie rifle costs, factory ammo costs, reloading costs etc, then NO, the 30-06 is not the do all and end all when it comes down to "there is nothing greater" in rifle cartridges.

So! Would you like us non 30-06 owners to sell our more powerful pieces to then mainly own 30-06s? Maybe you started this thread to save our wallets from higher costs and our shoulders from more felt recoil? lol.............Well thank you, but no thank you. Not selling any one nor any remaining three of my cartridge choices below to then buy a 30-06. Nor do I intend to add a 30-06 as a fifth rifle. For the majority, there is nothing greater than a 30-06.

However some of us are not in the majority. Therefore the 30-06, regardless of all its wonderful attributes and for it to be considered in terms of "there is nothing greater?" The dept of ballistics in all categories will have a few things to say about that....

Jwall, some things just work, don't they?

Nice, good luck. If prices are too steep, grab up any 243, 260, 7mm-08, or 308 and send to jes reboring. It'll come back to you a 358 win for about $250.

http://www.35caliber.com/8.html

Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation


17rem
5mm Remington
222 rem
222 rem mag
6mm rem
6.5 rem mag
280 rem
7mm SAUM
300 SAUM
8mm Remington
350 Rem mag
7mm RUM
300 RUM
338RUM

Did I miss any?

I just remembered, didn’t Remington introduce a 30 cal AR cartridge a few years back? I think it was introduced right before the 1st ammo scare and never took off.

Let's face it, there are many "better" cartridges than the '06 depending upon your definition of "better", but the '06 offers a very nice balance of bore size, versatility, ballistics, recoil, barrel life, and availability of ammo and availability of chambered rifles.

It’s also the most talked about cartridge ever.

I’m sorry you like to aggravate yourself

Hmmm. Have you guys ever heard of college co-eds?

My 06 Stainless Classic is itching to get out to Montana in just a few short weeks and put the hurtin on a big ol muley. Can’t wait!

Took ya long enuff !!



Jerry

Have come to appreciate the .30-06 more and more as I age.

There are cartridges that shoot fatter bullets, shoot faster, shoot flatter or whatever. But a good .30-06 is still hard to beat for an all-pupose rifle.

Its not nice to speak badly of a dead corporation


17rem
5mm Remington
222 rem
222 rem mag
6mm rem
6.5 rem mag
280 rem
7mm SAUM
300 SAUM
8mm Remington
350 Rem mag
7mm RUM
300 RUM
338RUM

Did I miss any?

Yup.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...mber-montana-358-winchester#Post15300828

I also have a Kimber Montana in .30-06 that shoots the 165 Accubond into bugholes over H4350.

30-06, 308, 7-08, 270, 280, and a bunch others.........

A 150 grain bullet out of any of them will all do pretty much the same thing at pretty near the same recoil levels. I’d be more into the platform than the chamber.

Mr. Gnoahhh's sig line says it all.

""Not much you can't fix with $700 and a .30-06." Joe Ryba"


ATST -- I'm VERY glad WE are not limited to ONE rifle OR ONE cartridge.

There are several I like & use. Some I'll never have again.

Aren't we all in the same boat ?


Jerry

Grandpa's Lesson
Pappy took to drinkin' back when I was barely three.
Ma got pretty quiet. She was frettin', you could see.
So I was sent to Grandpa and he raised me up real good.
He taught me what I oughta and he taught me what I should.
I learned a heap 'o lessons from the yarns he liked to tell.
There's one I won't forget because I learned it 'speshly well.
"There jist ain't many folk who live a peaceful, carefree life.
Along with all the good times there'll be lotsa grief and strife.
But ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."

Grandpa courted Grandma near the town of old Cheyenne.
Her daddy was cantankerous - a very greedy man.
He wouldn't give permission for a fancy wedding day
'Til grandpa paid a dowry--biggest ever people say.
Her daddy softened up when Grandpa said that he could fix
Him up with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six.

Grandpa herded cattle down around Jalisco way.
Ended up behind some iron bars one dusty day.
Seems the local jefe craved my Grandpa's pinto mare.
Grandpa wouldn't sell her so he lit on out of there.
Didn't take much doin' 'cept a couple special tricks
plus seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.

Then there was that Faro game near San Francisco say.
Grandpa's cards was smokin' hot and he took all one day.
He woke up nearly naked in a ditch next early morn'.
With nothin' but his flannel shirt, and it was ripped and torn.
Those others were professionals and they don't play for kicks.
He lost seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.

He begged some woolen trousers off the local storekeep there
Who loaned him both a pony and a rifle on a dare.
He caught those thievin' cardsharks at another Faro game.
He got back all his property and also his good name.
He left one bleedin' badly and another mostly lame.
My grandpa's trusty rifle shoots just where you choose to aim.
Grandpa's slowin' down a bit and just the other night
He handed me his rifle and a box sealed up real tight.
He fixed me with them pale grey eyes and this is what he said,
"You're awful young but steady too and I will soon be dead.
I'll bet this here old rifle and this honest money too
Will come in mighty handy just as readily for you.
There jist ain't many folk who lead a carefree, peaceful life.
Along with times of happiness, there's always woe and strife.
But ... aint many troubles that a man cain't fix
with seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six."

Lindy Cooper Wisdom
December, 1995

I’m the opposite... I’ve come to appreciate the 270 and 308 more. In the field they do the same thing, but kick less. However, the 30-06 is indeed a fine cartridge.

How bout that C H

Never heard/read that.

Jerry

breaking news . . .

jwall says the 30-06 is better than the _______ (fill in the blank with literally anything)

Mr. Gnoahhh's sig line says it all.

""Not much you can't fix with $700 and a .30-06." Joe Ryba"


ATST -- I'm VERY glad WE are not limited to ONE rifle OR ONE cartridge.

There are several I like & use. Some I'll never have again.

Aren't we all in the same boat ?

ABSOFREAKINLUTELY !!

It’s not my # 1 cartridge....It’s a good all around , Hard to beat for versatility, AMERICAN
cartridge.

I have other “Target Specific” better cartridges but the 06
DESERVES its rightful place, honor, & respect.

breaking news . . .

jwall says the 30-06 is better than the _______ (fill in the blank with literally anything)

[quote=shinbone]breaking news . . .

jwall says the 30-06 is better than the _______ (fill in the blank with literally anything)

308? Aka 30-06 short is better? ?

German Salazar, a competive target shooter built an identical spec’d ‘06 & 308, and recorded the differences in competition, They weren’t big enough to make a difference in the Elk woods.

** 30-06 did better at longer ranges as the bullet stayed super sonic longer

The reality is that the .308 Win. is better than the 30-06. Period.

It is more accurate. One never sees the older cartridge in any serious competition.

I'm not going to say it's the best, but it's a long way from being the worst. If I had to pick one cartridge for the US it would be the 30-06. If I had to pick one rifle for the US it would be a Ruger Stainless Mark II with a skeleton stock. Same combination I used for 30 years in Alaska. I trust it to handle anything.

I'm not going to say it's the best, but it's a long way from being the worst. If I had to pick one cartridge for the US it would be the 30-06. If I had to pick one rifle for the US it would be a Ruger Stainless Mark II with a skeleton stock. Same combination I used for 30 years in Alaska. I trust it to handle anything.

That would be the one on the left. The one on the right is the .280 Rem All Weather Ruger Hawkeye I'll be hunting elk with next week. A SIL will be using my boat paddle MKII .300WM when 3rd Rifle opens. That rifle will become my backup - or maybe my primary - rifle the following week (4th Rifle). The boat paddle.338WM is staying home this year.

I used to like them.. For years... Then I started using a .270 and now I’m wondering why I wasted so much of my life on an 06...

Todd

My experience too......

If you’re not going to use the 06 then pass it along to someone who will

the 300 RUM easily smashes the boring old outdated slow af '06

with energy/velocity at 500 yards what the '06 does at the muzzle, so....what's so great about the 30.06 again ?

Nothing like “facts” that aren’t even close to the truth.

Federal Lists a 180g AB load for both the 30-06 and 300 RUM, at 2700fps and 3200fps respectively. When you compare the energy charts for those loads, it is clear the RUM provides more energy down range. But does the RUM’s energy at 500 yards equal the 30-06 at the muzzle? No – more like 150 yards. The 30-06 provides 2913fpe at the muzzle while the RUM provides 2085fpe at 500.

To achieve the admittedly impressive muzzle velocities, the RUM burns 50-75% more powder. While the 30-06 can get to 2700fps with around 57,000 PSI, the RUM requires around 63,000 PSI to get to 3200fps. The .30-06 will have much longer barrel life as a result. The 30-06 in a 8.3 pound rifle can get there with just over 21 ft-lbs of recoil, the same weight RUM load generates over 40 ft-lbs and a 37% greater recoil velocity. The cited Federal ammo for the Rum costs $68.99 at midwayusa while the 30-06 ammo costs $37.99.

The truth is that a 30-06 will do everything most people need done a very high percentage of the time. My guess is over 99%. It does it with far less recoil, longer barrel life and ammo that is far less expensive and available in a much greater variety.

Use a RUM if you wish. I’ll stick with my 30-06. All three of them.

LOOololol ... there goes that retarded old argument about
OMG recoil ... what are you 12 ? or did you get Caitlyned ?

If an able bodied grown man shrinks back in terror from the "recoil" of the 300 RUM then maybe surgical removal of the testes is def in order

They make barrels every day, really good ones too ....
factory barrels are junk temps that are meant to be replaced, did you not know that ? Did you not know that barrels are screwed on and not welded on ? WOW ! imagine the possibilities

Reality TV moment right there ...
OMG ! we'll have to load just two rounds this year instead of 20 or we may not survive the winter because the 300 RUM eats Sooooooo much powder ..... dude, for reals ?

Factory ammo ? WTF is that lol ? .......
People still believe the numbers printed on the box of factory ammo ? SMH .. when you get a chance, send that factory '06 ammo over a chronograph will ya, there's your erection killer, lol

try this on ....,

205 gr 30 cal bullet with .815 bc at 3300 fps = ?
use any ballistic calculator you wish, they will all show you that at 500 yards it's still going faster with more energy than any factory '06 180 gr load at the muzzle ...

learning sure is fun ain't it ? lmao

Nothing like “facts” that aren’t even close to the truth.

Federal Lists a 180g AB load for both the 30-06 and 300 RUM, at 2700fps and 3200fps respectively. When you compare the energy charts for those loads, it is clear the RUM provides more energy down range. But does the RUM’s energy at 500 yards equal the 30-06 at the muzzle? No – more like 150 yards. The 30-06 provides 2913fpe at the muzzle while the RUM provides 2085fpe at 500.

To achieve the admittedly impressive muzzle velocities, the RUM burns 50-75% more powder. While the 30-06 can get to 2700fps with around 57,000 PSI, the RUM requires around 63,000 PSI to get to 3200fps. The .30-06 will have much longer barrel life as a result. The 30-06 in a 8.3 pound rifle can get there with just over 21 ft-lbs of recoil, the same weight RUM load generates over 40 ft-lbs and a 37% greater recoil velocity. The cited Federal ammo for the Rum costs $68.99 at midwayusa while the 30-06 ammo costs $37.99.

The truth is that a 30-06 will do everything most people need done a very high percentage of the time. My guess is over 99%. It does it with far less recoil, longer barrel life and ammo that is far less expensive and available in a much greater variety.

Use a RUM if you wish. I’ll stick with my 30-06. All three of them.



I

Factory ammo again, lmao ... in this day and age, smh
Nobody's fault but your own that you have to drive somewhere to get ammo, I'll just walk into my garage and crank out 100 rounds before you get home, with bullets and powder that you will never find in factory ammo and will squeeze 100% potential out of the cartridge while you strut around with your anemic, slow, low bc factory ammo , have you ever chronographed factory 30'06 ammo ? barely 2600 fps with 180 gr bullets, pretty sad .... mine are zipping out at 3350 fps with single digit sd's and ragged lil 5 shot holes at 200 yards

all these arguments are null & void, personal hangups and chicken little gripes over self imposed, imagined nothings .....

my quest is performance... and the 30'06 will never be better than the 300 RUM, no matter how much fluff you imagine #High Velocity Matters

ok I'm done now .... you guys act like I'm bashing your old lady or something, all grumpy n shyt......,,

300 RUM still King of the 30's

Did the Super Bulldozer II just come out? I can't find it on Badland's site.

It's not the cartridge, its the blind subservience to it when there are so many better cartridges available.

Whatever. Shoot what ya like.

This....^

If a person doesn't know what cartridges are better than the 30-06, then there is no point in listing them for him - that gets back to the "blind" part of the "blind subservience" description.

JMHO

If a person doesn't know what cartridges are better than the 30-06, then there is no point in listing them for him - that gets back to the "blind" part of the "blind subservience" description.

JMHO

in the 30 caliber realm ..... these are all better than the 30'06

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and so are these ... cause theys mine mang ! lol

power is sexy

left to right

30 cal. 175 gr Federal Terminal Ascent bullets

300 LRC (2" Norma Imp)
300 LRH (Norma Imp)
300 RUM
300 Razor (30/500 NE Imp)
300 Headhunter (30/470 NE Imp)
300 Wolverine (30/500 Jeffery Imp)


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So you claim. But that is all it is, a claim with nothing to back it up.

And even if they are "better" in your mind, that doesn't mean they are universally better for everyone and there are millions of people who would dispute your claim based on what is "better" for them.

Your point of view, narrow as it is, is only that a personal opinion.

Which is exactly the same as what the "30-06 sycophants" do and say. How ironic that they are the victims of their own arguments. But, of course they will deny it, which is where that pesky word "blind" crops up again. So sad for them.

Again, shoot what ya like.

Its interesting, when I was in Mekoryuk AK at the general store, they had all those 30 cal ammo's in stock. They are cool, not going to argue that

I just warmed up my 25yo '06 for elk season

20" barrel, off the shelf factory rifle (from 25year ago, no work, no bedding, no trigger job, to it ever) , with off the shelf Hornady ammo, 165g 2900fps

with a bipod and no rear rest, no sand bag, shot a 2 3/4" group, with light winds and heat mirage

that was at 400y BTW

Elk Season starts tomorrow for me

swamplord sounds familiar.