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I'm not going to say it's the best, but it's a long way from being the worst. If I had to pick one cartridge for the US it would be the 30-06. If I had to pick one rifle for the US it would be a Ruger Stainless Mark II with a skeleton stock. Same combination I used for 30 years in Alaska. I trust it to handle anything. That would be the one on the left. The one on the right is the .280 Rem All Weather Ruger Hawkeye I'll be hunting elk with next week. A SIL will be using my boat paddle MKII .300WM when 3rd Rifle opens. That rifle will become my backup - or maybe my primary - rifle the following week (4th Rifle). The boat paddle.338WM is staying home this year. If you’re not going to use the 06 then pass it along to someone who will It has taken elk before and will again. Just not this year.
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the 300 RUM easily smashes the boring old outdated slow af '06
with energy/velocity at 500 yards what the '06 does at the muzzle, so....what's so great about the 30.06 again ?
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the 300 RUM easily smashes the boring old outdated slow af '06
with energy/velocity at 500 yards what the '06 does at the muzzle, so....what's so great about the 30.06 again ? Nothing like “facts” that aren’t even close to the truth. Federal Lists a 180g AB load for both the 30-06 and 300 RUM, at 2700fps and 3200fps respectively. When you compare the energy charts for those loads, it is clear the RUM provides more energy down range. But does the RUM’s energy at 500 yards equal the 30-06 at the muzzle? No – more like 150 yards. The 30-06 provides 2913fpe at the muzzle while the RUM provides 2085fpe at 500. To achieve the admittedly impressive muzzle velocities, the RUM burns 50-75% more powder. While the 30-06 can get to 2700fps with around 57,000 PSI, the RUM requires around 63,000 PSI to get to 3200fps. The .30-06 will have much longer barrel life as a result. The 30-06 in a 8.3 pound rifle can get there with just over 21 ft-lbs of recoil, the same weight RUM load generates over 40 ft-lbs and a 37% greater recoil velocity. The cited Federal ammo for the Rum costs $68.99 at midwayusa while the 30-06 ammo costs $37.99. The truth is that a 30-06 will do everything most people need done a very high percentage of the time. My guess is over 99%. It does it with far less recoil, longer barrel life and ammo that is far less expensive and available in a much greater variety. Use a RUM if you wish. I’ll stick with my 30-06. All three of them.
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the 300 RUM easily smashes the boring old outdated slow af '06
with energy/velocity at 500 yards what the '06 does at the muzzle, so....what's so great about the 30.06 again ? Nothing like “facts” that aren’t even close to the truth. Federal Lists a 180g AB load for both the 30-06 and 300 RUM, at 2700fps and 3200fps respectively. When you compare the energy charts for those loads, it is clear the RUM provides more energy down range. But does the RUM’s energy at 500 yards equal the 30-06 at the muzzle? No – more like 150 yards. The 30-06 provides 2913fpe at the muzzle while the RUM provides 2085fpe at 500. To achieve the admittedly impressive muzzle velocities, the RUM burns 50-75% more powder. While the 30-06 can get to 2700fps with around 57,000 PSI, the RUM requires around 63,000 PSI to get to 3200fps. The .30-06 will have much longer barrel life as a result. The 30-06 in a 8.3 pound rifle can get there with just over 21 ft-lbs of recoil, the same weight RUM load generates over 40 ft-lbs and a 37% greater recoil velocity. The cited Federal ammo for the Rum costs $68.99 at midwayusa while the 30-06 ammo costs $37.99. The truth is that a 30-06 will do everything most people need done a very high percentage of the time. My guess is over 99%. It does it with far less recoil, longer barrel life and ammo that is far less expensive and available in a much greater variety. Use a RUM if you wish. I’ll stick with my 30-06. All three of them. One thing that is not represented in this observation is the RUM is plenty capable of firing a 220 gr ELD-X load at 2,900 fps, while the 30-06 will launch a 178 gr ELD-X at about 2,735 fps. Comparing these two the RUM makes more energy at 350 yards than the 06 at the muzzle. Drifts 2.5" less and about 1.5" less in drop. The RUM is a very specialized beast and utilized by some who prefer heavy .30 cal projectiles flying fast and delivering big hits a 500 yards. I only point this out because to my way of thinking the RUM was designed for 200+ grain bullet use. At 500 yards the 06 is carrying 1,660 ft-lbs, drifting at 15" and dropping 37"; the RUM having 2,560 ft-lbs, 11.5" of drift and 31" of drop. The 06 is plenty good in the field, the RUM is more in comparison to the 30-378 Wby and other bigger 30s that are less carried by most afield. For me I'd rather move up to a 338 Win Mag with 250s at 2,700 fps if I need a big jump from the 06.
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LOOololol ... there goes that retarded old argument about OMG recoil ... what are you 12 ? or did you get Caitlyned ?
If an able bodied grown man shrinks back in terror from the "recoil" of the 300 RUM then maybe surgical removal of the testes is def in order
They make barrels every day, really good ones too .... factory barrels are junk temps that are meant to be replaced, did you not know that ? Did you not know that barrels are screwed on and not welded on ? WOW ! imagine the possibilities
Reality TV moment right there ... OMG ! we'll have to load just two rounds this year instead of 20 or we may not survive the winter because the 300 RUM eats Sooooooo much powder ..... dude, for reals ?
Factory ammo ? WTF is that lol ? ....... People still believe the numbers printed on the box of factory ammo ? SMH .. when you get a chance, send that factory '06 ammo over a chronograph will ya, there's your erection killer, lol
try this on ....,
205 gr 30 cal bullet with .815 bc at 3300 fps = ? use any ballistic calculator you wish, they will all show you that at 500 yards it's still going faster with more energy than any factory '06 180 gr load at the muzzle ...
learning sure is fun ain't it ? lmao
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LOOololol ... there goes that retarded old argument about OMG recoil ... what are you 12 ? or did you get Caitlyned ?
If an able bodied grown man shrinks back in terror from the "recoil" of the 300 RUM then maybe surgical removal of the testes is def in order
They make barrels every day, really good ones too .... factory barrels are junk temps that are meant to be replaced, did you not know that ? Did you not know that barrels are screwed on and not welded on ? WOW ! imagine the possibilities
Reality TV moment right there ... OMG ! we'll have to load just two rounds this year instead of 20 or we may not survive the winter because the 300 RUM eats Sooooooo much powder ..... dude, for reals ?
Factory ammo ? WTF is that lol ? ....... People still believe the numbers printed on the box of factory ammo ? SMH .. when you get a chance, send that factory '06 ammo over a chronograph will ya, there's your erection killer, lol
try this on ....,
205 gr 30 cal bullet with .815 bc at 3300 fps = ? use any ballistic calculator you wish, they will all show you that at 500 yards it's still going faster with more energy than any factory '06 180 gr load at the muzzle ...
learning sure is fun ain't it ? lmao
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what ? skin too thin to pick up heavy sarcasm ?
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Hard to argue against the original thesis, but for me, and I love my Nosler M48 ‘06, my 6.5-06 really has me thinking it’s a very versatile option.
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the 300 RUM easily smashes the boring old outdated slow af '06
with energy/velocity at 500 yards what the '06 does at the muzzle, so....what's so great about the 30.06 again ? Nothing like “facts” that aren’t even close to the truth. Federal Lists a 180g AB load for both the 30-06 and 300 RUM, at 2700fps and 3200fps respectively. When you compare the energy charts for those loads, it is clear the RUM provides more energy down range. But does the RUM’s energy at 500 yards equal the 30-06 at the muzzle? No – more like 150 yards. The 30-06 provides 2913fpe at the muzzle while the RUM provides 2085fpe at 500. To achieve the admittedly impressive muzzle velocities, the RUM burns 50-75% more powder. While the 30-06 can get to 2700fps with around 57,000 PSI, the RUM requires around 63,000 PSI to get to 3200fps. The .30-06 will have much longer barrel life as a result. The 30-06 in a 8.3 pound rifle can get there with just over 21 ft-lbs of recoil, the same weight RUM load generates over 40 ft-lbs and a 37% greater recoil velocity. The cited Federal ammo for the Rum costs $68.99 at midwayusa while the 30-06 ammo costs $37.99. The truth is that a 30-06 will do everything most people need done a very high percentage of the time. My guess is over 99%. It does it with far less recoil, longer barrel life and ammo that is far less expensive and available in a much greater variety. Use a RUM if you wish. I’ll stick with my 30-06. All three of them. I Thank you. I can drive over to BassPro and have a relatively good chance of finding some decent .30-06 ammo, if I absolutely positively had to have some . Try that with .300 RUM.
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[/quote] Thank you. I can drive over to BassPro and have a relatively good chance of finding some decent .30-06 ammo, if I absolutely positively had to have some . Try that with .300 RUM.[/quote] Factory ammo again, lmao ... in this day and age, smh Nobody's fault but your own that you have to drive somewhere to get ammo, I'll just walk into my garage and crank out 100 rounds before you get home, with bullets and powder that you will never find in factory ammo and will squeeze 100% potential out of the cartridge while you strut around with your anemic, slow, low bc factory ammo , have you ever chronographed factory 30'06 ammo ? barely 2600 fps with 180 gr bullets, pretty sad .... mine are zipping out at 3350 fps with single digit sd's and ragged lil 5 shot holes at 200 yards all these arguments are null & void, personal hangups and chicken little gripes over self imposed, imagined nothings ..... my quest is performance... and the 30'06 will never be better than the 300 RUM, no matter how much fluff you imagine #High Velocity Matters ok I'm done now .... you guys act like I'm bashing your old lady or something, all grumpy n shyt......,, 300 RUM still King of the 30's
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... ... can you find these bullets in factory loads ? nope and your factory barrel twist would be useless anyway
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Did the Super Bulldozer II just come out? I can't find it on Badland's site.
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Swampy are you big sticks cousin? I got a 300 win that runs 180 npt's at 3130 fps what is 70 fps gonna do for me? I'll still be shooting when you are rebarreling. Or do you have a backup?
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Factory ammo again, lmao ... in this day and age, smh Nobody's fault but your own that you have to drive somewhere to get ammo, I'll just walk into my garage and crank out 100 rounds before you get home, with bullets and powder that you will never find in factory ammo and will squeeze 100% potential out of the cartridge while you strut around with your anemic, slow, low bc factory ammo , have you ever chronographed factory 30'06 ammo ? barely 2600 fps with 180 gr bullets, pretty sad .... mine are zipping out at 3350 fps with single digit sd's and ragged lil 5 shot holes at 200 yards all these arguments are null & void, personal hangups and chicken little gripes over self imposed, imagined nothings ..... my quest is performance... and the 30'06 will never be better than the 300 RUM, no matter how much fluff you imagine #High Velocity Matters ok I'm done now .... you guys act like I'm bashing your old lady or something, all grumpy n shyt......,, 300 RUM still King of the 30's So you want to compare handloads using bullets that don’t even show up on the manufacturer’s web site and using a custom RUM barrel of probably around 28-30” in length against factory ammo and rifles? Apples to oranges. As to your contention “the 30'06 will never be better than the 300 RUM”, better is a qualitative term deponent on the specific criteria being applied by the person making the judgement. While the RUM may be “better” for you, that does not make it “better” for the millions who chose the .30-06 over the .300 RUM. For them, the .30-06 is indeed “better”.
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Man, put a 30-06 in a thread and man, stuff goes sideways I’ve got both and like them both pretty well. Just another money sucker to try and find each version of perfect.
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It's not the cartridge, its the blind subservience when there are so many better cartridges available.
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Did the Super Bulldozer II just come out? I can't find it on Badland's site. Testing trials on a new bullet with the "death star" hollow point..... Got the first 100 pcs in at the tail end of moose season, plugged an eater moose on the last day with one of my 30 cal wildcats, Lapua/Norma case cut down to 2", Spectacular performance for a copper solid tipped hollow point bullet
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It's not the cartridge, its the blind subservience to it when there are so many better cartridges available.
Whatever. Shoot what ya like.
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