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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.
Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?
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That's not the unforgivable sin as defined in Mark 3. Jesus had cast out some demons and the pharisees said he did it using Satan's power. Jesus refuted that and said that their sin of calling the Holy Spirit evil would not be forgiven. He finishes off with this:

Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

That's completely different than dying without salvation.

Thank you as well Rock Chuck. I've read a lot of the bible and it has some incredible wisdom but some of it sounds pretty outlandish to me so I always appreciate when someone can translate what I think it says to what it actually says.
That's a common error. I've heard sermons preached on how the unforgivable sin is dying without salvation. Calling the HS evil is in both Mathew and in the passage I quoted so I don't know how a minister who's supposed to be trained in the scripture could miss it. The problem is defining the word blasphemy. It seems to have several definitions. However, Mk 3 clarifies it's definition for that purpose.


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Originally Posted by BobBrown
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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.


Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?


No he did not. It was an abomination, punishable by stoning.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by antlers
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Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.
Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?
No he did not. It was an abomination, punishable by stoning.
lol

‘Only’ if you think we’re still under the Law.


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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BobBrown
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.
Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?
No he did not. It was an abomination, punishable by stoning.
lol

‘Only’ if you think we’re still under the Law.


Well, the two reference to the SS Single Sixes I'm aware of are both in the New Testament.

Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no Ruger Single Six, let him sell his garment, and buy one in Stainless Steel.

And in John we have:

18:10 Then Simon Peter having a Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel, drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, cleanly removing his right ear lobe. The Priest stopped cold in his tracks as Peter thumbed the hammer and pointed the Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel at the priests forehead. The Priest said his final prayer and prepared to meet God. All know Peter never missed, for he was imbued with the Holy Spirit.
18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel, into the holster, you only have four rounds left and there's 40 of them. Besides, this is all part of a plan, and I can't have you screwing it up: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antlers
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I'll just take that as a yes. So, if that's the case, am I screwed when it comes to going to heaven?
If I may...
To me...Nope. Not at all. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is only committed when a person believes Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil He performed His miracles. If you haven’t believed that, and said such, you have ‘not’ committed unforgivable sin...and you’re not screwed when it comes to going to Heaven. Just look at Mark 3:22-30:

And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”

Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit whe,n they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons.


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I have cried out for years that context is vital, and especially this context, is vital to the understanding of the Holy Scriptures. Heard many a person attempt to explain blasphemy of the Holy Spirit without the context of this writ. Jesus, as with all things, makes it easy to understand exactly what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is. If one just reads it Scripture interprets Scripture every time. When you step outside how Jesus explains it here all sorts of interpretations, speculations and theories develop. None of which are what Jesus said.

antlers,
you said it well when you said,
"Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit whe,n they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons"
Thanks
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I'll just take that as a yes. So, if that's the case, am I screwed when it comes to going to heaven?

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Originally Posted by Rug3
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Originally Posted by Nebraska
I'll just take that as a yes. So, if that's the case, am I screwed when it comes to going to heaven?
If I may...
To me...Nope. Not at all. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is only committed when a person believes Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil He performed His miracles. If you haven’t believed that, and said such, you have ‘not’ committed unforgivable sin...and you’re not screwed when it comes to going to Heaven. Just look at Mark 3:22-30:

And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”

Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit whe,n they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons.


THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
I have cried out for years that context, and especially this context, is important to the understanding of the Holy Scriptures. Heard many a person attempt to explain blasphemy of the Holy Spirit without the context of this writ. Jesus, as with all things, makes it easy to understand exactly what he intends. If one just reads it Scripture interprets Scripture every time. When you step outside how Jesus explains it here all sorts of interpretations, speculations and theories develop here.

antlers,
you said it well when you said, "Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit whe,n they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons"
Thanks
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If you commit that sin, you'll be doing it intentionally. You'll know what you're saying and it will be held against you forever. You don't have to worry about doing it by accident.


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Good observation.


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Originally Posted by antlers
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Originally Posted by Nebraska
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He endorses same sex unions and wants a civil union law so that they are legally covered.
I think it's a great idea and what should've been done a LONG time ago. If somebody wants to have a legal partner in their life so they can can be covered by family insurance or help make those tough decisions after a life-threatening incident or pass along their inheritance after they pass, they should be able to do so regardless of sexual preference.
Yep.
You pretty much can without dignifying sodomy. For one, power of attorney. Inheritance can be covered by a will. Family insurance?! I don't really get that, seems like you should have a family for that. The entire idea of law is to promote general welfare, something sodomy wrecks.
How good is the “general welfare” of families when over 50% of first marriages end in divorce, and an even greater percentage of second marriages end in divorce, and an even still greater percentage of third marriages end in divorce...? And NONE of those failures has anything to do with “dignifying sodomy.” Giving these people the ability to provide for their “general welfare” in the ways that Nebraska mentioned above, while not infringing on your “general welfare” in any way whatsoever, seems right.
The failures aren't part & parcel of virtue. The fact that people don't live up to the virtue being promoted in no way invalidates the attempt to promote virtue.
Promoting vice does not make that vice into a virtue.

If you really want to make the ignorant argument that people's failures to live up to the ideal invalidate the ideal, we could pretend that gay "marriage" is a virtue and start comparing divorce rates, domestic violence numbers and infidelity, etc with real marriages. You won't like the numbers though, because sodomy loses on every count.

Another erroneous assumption that you make is that engaging in vice is somehow in the "general welfare" of homosexuals. Christ didn't condemn sodomy for just some people, He condemned it for everyone.

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Originally Posted by antlers
‘Only’ if you think we’re still under the Law.
Jesus did say that not one jot or tittle of the old law has passed away.
Obviously you disagree with Christ.

You don't even have a clue what he was talking about.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
.. Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel, into the holster, you only have four rounds left and there's 40 of them...


If he could produce a magic basket of bread to
feed the multitude, 40 rounds from a wheelgun
would be child's play.. grin


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by BobBrown
Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Did you even bother to read the article I posted for you?
I did. And NOTHING in that article negated what I said, which prompted your response with the article reference in the first place.
Does Jesus approve of mysteriously withdrawing sales of glossy SS Single Sixes ?
No he did not. It was an abomination, punishable by stoning.
lol

‘Only’ if you think we’re still under the Law.


Well, the two reference to the SS Single Sixes I'm aware of are both in the New Testament.

Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no Ruger Single Six, let him sell his garment, and buy one in Stainless Steel.

And in John we have:

18:10 Then Simon Peter having a Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel, drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, cleanly removing his right ear lobe. The Priest stopped cold in his tracks as Peter thumbed the hammer and pointed the Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel at the priests forehead. The Priest said his final prayer and prepared to meet God. All know Peter never missed, for he was imbued with the Holy Spirit.
18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy Ruger Single Six in Stainless Steel, into the holster, you only have four rounds left and there's 40 of them. Besides, this is all part of a plan, and I can't have you screwing it up: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

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Originally Posted by antlers
RJY66,
I’ve seen you post this before; I saved it. Good stuff:
“Good people don't go to heaven and bad people don't go to hell. Forgiven people go to heaven. Unforgiven people go to hell.”


When Jesus descended to Hades [Sheol in Hebrew] ,
(Apostles creed: "He descended into hell")
all the dead were there, including the righteous.

Sounds like Jesus visited a hell unlike
the one christians believe in.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Jesus did say that not one jot or tittle of the old law has passed away.
No He didn’t. He said “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Jesus ‘fulfilled’ it (the law), now it’s over and done with. Jesus came to fulfill all that was written in the Law and the Prophets. All of it was pointing to Him. He accomplished what the Law required. All of the promises of God in the Law and the Prophets have been fulfilled in Jesus. The law was kept perfectly by Jesus. And all of its penalties against God’s sinful people were poured out on Jesus. Therefore, the Law is now manifestly NOT the path to righteousness; Jesus is. The ultimate goal of the Law is that we would look to Jesus, ‘not’ law-keeping, for our righteousness. When Jesus said ”It is finished”, He meant it. Apostle Paul meant it too when he said “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Obviously you disagree with Christ.
lol

On the contrary.
Originally Posted by Tyrone
You don't even have a clue what he was talking about.
lol some more

Jesus’ world was rife with injustice, yet the Gospels record only one instance of what we have come to know as “righteous anger” on the part of Jesus.

What explains the venomous, diffuse distemper of some ‘Christians’...? Is their vitriol the mark of a disciple...?


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You boys gonna make me post an image of The Cross?
Love one another! laugh



Wabigoon,

You opposed my return.

You are no Christian.


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