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You guys understand why no one trusts the CDC, WHO and other "authorities" anymore, right?
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*The Law*...as Jesus Himself said, IS finished. I believe Him. When someone can predict His own death and resurrection, and pull it off...I’m gonna go with whatever He says. Equivocation. 'It is finished' refers to his sacrifice, not the law...which, according the words attributed to him, he had not come to abolish.
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Nope. Jesus didn’t use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing Himself, as you assert. 'It is finished' refers to his sacrifice, not the law... Nope. It refers to the the intended-from-the-beginning completion...fulfillment...of the Law. ...which, according the words attributed to him, he had not come to abolish. Completing is not abolishing. Fulfilling is not abolishing.
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.. When someone can predict His own death and resurrection, and pull it off.... It wasn't predicted, it was planned and implemented in every detail all along. and the 'Hell' you and other christians describe differs from the one Jesus controls and visited. ... Why is that so? approaching 2000 yrs of christians conveniently making things up as they go...
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Some of you could teach seminary, me, I simply Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ.
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It wasn't predicted, it was planned and implemented in every detail all along. It was predicted. As was the destruction of the temple, as was John the Baptist, and as was Jesus’ birth. All were predicted, all happened. God ‘planning and implementing‘ them doesn’t in any way negate that. and the 'Hell' you describe differs from the one Jesus controls and visited... Please quote ‘my description of hell’ that you’re referring to.
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It was predicted. As was the destruction of the temple, as was John the Baptist, and as was Jesus’ birth. All were predicted, all happened. God ‘planning and implementing‘ them doesn’t in any way negate that. Why would a God need to predict what he himself planned and implemented?
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It was predicted. As was the destruction of the temple, as was John the Baptist, and as was Jesus’ birth. All were predicted, all happened. God ‘planning and implementing‘ them doesn’t in any way negate that. Why would a God need to predict what he himself planned and implemented? If you plan something, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do that something (predict it), and then later on you do it...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...?
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If you plan something, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do that something (predict it), and then later on you do it...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...?
You or I can try to predict the stock market, but we can't willfully make it move the way we desire through our own planning and implementation. And if one plans and implements their partners birthday party, to make it happen, would you call that a 'prophecy' by announcing it prior .??
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Nope. Jesus didn’t use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing Himself, as you assert. It was you who was equivocating two different things, one: the law, two; the sacrifice. " Nope. It refers to the the intended-from-the-beginning completion...fulfillment...of the Law. ...which, according the words attributed to him, he had not come to abolish. Completing is not abolishing. Fulfilling is not abolishing. ''It is finished'' refers to taking away the sin of man through the blood sacrifice of Jesus. It does not take away the law or the prophets; ''Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…'' Everything has not been accomplished. The world goes on as before the sacrifice. As far as the world in concerned, it is business as usual. The promised return in power and glory has yet to be accomplished. Until then the stipulation: ''until everything is accomplished.'' has not been fulfilled. Only when Jesus returns in power and glory for all the world to see is the prophesy fulfilled.
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If you plan something, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do that something (predict it), and then later on you do it...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...? You or I can try to predict the stock market, but we can't willfully make it move the way we desire through planning and implementation. If you plan something that you ‘can’ make happen, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do ‘that’ something (predict it), and then later on you ‘do’ make it happen...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...?
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And if one plans and implements their partners birthday party, to make it happen, would you call that a 'prophecy' by announcing it prior .??
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If you plan something, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do that something (predict it), and then later on you do it...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...? And if one plans and implements their partners birthday party, to make it happen, would you call that a 'prophecy' by announcing it prior .?? If I planned her birthday party, and then I announced ahead of time that I’m gonna throw her a birthday party (predicted it), and then later on I ‘did’ throw her that birthday party...then yes, I would call my prediction a prediction.
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Sending out birthday invitations is deemed prophecizing? 🤔
What about monthly board meetings? Executives prophecize their board meetings?
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You'd think the 'Word of God' would be clearer than what we have in the bible, thereby saving a whole lot of trouble with multiple possible interpretations and meanings.....
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Again... and the 'Hell' you describe differs from the one Jesus controls and visited... Please quote ‘my description of hell’ that you’re referring to.
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Again... You or I can try to predict the stock market, but we can't willfully make it move the way we desire through planning and implementation. If you plan something that you ‘can’ make happen, and then you announce ahead of time that you’re gonna do ‘that’ something (predict it), and then later on you ‘do’ make it happen...does that mean your prediction wasn’t a prediction...?
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PROPHECY (def.)
the foretelling or prediction of what is to come. something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation. a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular.
unfortunately, planning and implementing a birthday and sending out invitations is not a 'divinely inspired' prediction.
But you seem to see a convenient parallel.
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Please quote ‘my description of hell’ that you’re referring to. >>> RJY66, I’ve seen you post this before; I saved it. Good stuff: “Good people don't go to heaven and bad people don't go to hell. Forgiven people go to heaven. Unforgiven people go to hell.”
That is not the kind of Hell that Jesus visited. surely any good astute christian would know that?
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PROPHECY (def.)the foretelling or prediction of what is to come. something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspired prediction, instruction, or exhortation. a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular. Those are all of the multiple different definitions from your source. The specific highlighted definition certainly does apply. But you seem to see a convenient parallel. I simply see that a prediction is a prediction. Period. Incidentally...from New Oxford American Dictionary: proph·e·cy - a prediction. ‘Same’ as the highlighted definition that you posted.
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