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Why in the world do Philly police not have Tasers? Makes no sense I wouldn’t be to keen on tasing a charging man with a knife. Seems like a good way to get sliced and diced. The Philly police commissioner was interviewed about that. She said they can't supply all their officers with tasers due to budget cuts. And the morons who want to defund the police will be criticizing them for not using tasers.
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This is a result of a broken mental health system, not a policing issue. These people are everywhere in most communities. They aren’t crazy enough to be in a facility by today’s standards and not sane enough to be in society and consistently take their meds.
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NOw I support Law enforcement but it has been a very long time since I have seen a police officer that did not have a taser... 2 cops... 1 guy with a knife... He had mental health issues... no offense, but I do see the department here not taking care of their officers as best they could. I bet the police that had to kill they guy wishes he atleast had the option of a taser No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. In the dozens of incidents I have been involved with involving Tasers, they were only effective about 50% of the time. That is REAL WORLD. In this instance If it didn’t work there is a good chance you are getting cut or stabbed. You have to be within 25 feet for both Taser probes to realistically hit a person and in reality much closer. If both probes don’t hit and stick with a good connection it doesn’t work. Under stress there is a pretty good chance one or both are missing the person all together. A person with a knife can close that distance before Officers can act or retreat. That has been proven multiple times. There is no guarantee a back up Officer with lethal force is going to stop a knife wielding subject before he reaches the Officer with the Taser. People don’t always fall down immediately or stop what they are doing in real life as soon as they are shot.There is NO reason for an Officer to place the safety of an armed subject above his own. Him having mental health issues doesn’t change that. Those Officers could have used a taser and had it work out. It would have been because they got lucky, not because they used good tactics. No offense but in the REAL WORLD of today... Riots are what happens when 2 police officers shot 14 rounds at a person with a knife who they know has a mental problem because the police had already been to the house 3 times that day. I understand that Tasers do not always work... I also understand not having them as an option is stupid. One cop using a taser and one cop with a gun in case the taser does not work. At least at that point, they could say, we did what we could to detain him before we used deadly force. I am very pro trump and pro police but this is partly why some people are protesting in the streets. Let's just bust off 14 rounds at a guy with a knife and kill him because the department gives us no other options in the terms of non-lethal... (and yes I think Biden is an idiot saying to shoot them in the leg)
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This is a result of a broken mental health system, not a policing issue. These people are everywhere in most communities. They aren’t crazy enough to be in a facility by today’s standards and not sane enough to be in society and consistently take their meds. True
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Why in the world do Philly police not have Tasers? Makes no sense I wouldn’t be to keen on tasing a charging man with a knife. Seems like a good way to get sliced and diced. The Philly police commissioner was interviewed about that. She said they can't supply all their officers with tasers due to budget cuts. And the morons who want to defund the police will be criticizing them for not using tasers. and she is lying... They should have had tasers years and years ago...
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A city that's 41% black with 350 murders a year will have cops that don't fug around when they're attacked.
The only option other than going in and taking care of business is for the cops to back off from the black neighborhoods as has been done in many cities. When that happens, crime goes off the charts.
One reason that Chicago is a war zone is because at some point the cops decided it wasn't worth risking their lives in order to police the ghetto. The Chicago police barely even investigate black on black murder in Chicago. 78% of them go unsolved.
That's going to become the norm in years to come. The police will continue to work in communities where law and order is valued (white communities) and let the black communities go to hell.
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NOw I support Law enforcement but it has been a very long time since I have seen a police officer that did not have a taser... 2 cops... 1 guy with a knife... He had mental health issues... no offense, but I do see the department here not taking care of their officers as best they could. I bet the police that had to kill they guy wishes he atleast had the option of a taser No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. In the dozens of incidents I have been involved with involving Tasers, they were only effective about 50% of the time. That is REAL WORLD. In this instance If it didn’t work there is a good chance you are getting cut or stabbed. You have to be within 25 feet for both Taser probes to realistically hit a person and in reality much closer. If both probes don’t hit and stick with a good connection it doesn’t work. Under stress there is a pretty good chance one or both are missing the person all together. A person with a knife can close that distance before Officers can act or retreat. That has been proven multiple times. There is no guarantee a back up Officer with lethal force is going to stop a knife wielding subject before he reaches the Officer with the Taser. People don’t always fall down immediately or stop what they are doing in real life as soon as they are shot.There is NO reason for an Officer to place the safety of an armed subject above his own. Him having mental health issues doesn’t change that. Those Officers could have used a taser and had it work out. It would have been because they got lucky, not because they used good tactics. No offense but in the REAL WORLD of today... Riots are what happens when 2 police officers shot 14 rounds at a person with a knife who they know has a mental problem because the police had already been to the house 3 times that day. I understand that Tasers do not always work... I also understand not having them as an option is stupid. One cop using a taser and one cop with a gun in case the taser does not work. At least at that point, they could say, we did what we could to detain him before we used deadly force. I am very pro trump and pro police but this is partly why some people are protesting in the streets. Let's just bust off 14 rounds at a guy with a knife and kill him because the department gives us no other options in the terms of non-lethal... (and yes I think Biden is an idiot saying to shoot them in the leg) you are totally right. they also have net launchers which were used for animals so they are perfect for ghetto use. they have many models. one guy on u tube made one and it worked great. they have 4 barrels which flare out. what about bear spray?
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NOw I support Law enforcement but it has been a very long time since I have seen a police officer that did not have a taser... 2 cops... 1 guy with a knife... He had mental health issues... no offense, but I do see the department here not taking care of their officers as best they could. I bet the police that had to kill they guy wishes he atleast had the option of a taser No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. In the dozens of incidents I have been involved with involving Tasers, they were only effective about 50% of the time. That is REAL WORLD. In this instance If it didn’t work there is a good chance you are getting cut or stabbed. You have to be within 25 feet for both Taser probes to realistically hit a person and in reality much closer. If both probes don’t hit and stick with a good connection it doesn’t work. Under stress there is a pretty good chance one or both are missing the person all together. A person with a knife can close that distance before Officers can act or retreat. That has been proven multiple times. There is no guarantee a back up Officer with lethal force is going to stop a knife wielding subject before he reaches the Officer with the Taser. People don’t always fall down immediately or stop what they are doing in real life as soon as they are shot.There is NO reason for an Officer to place the safety of an armed subject above his own. Him having mental health issues doesn’t change that. Those Officers could have used a taser and had it work out. It would have been because they got lucky, not because they used good tactics. No offense but in the REAL WORLD of today... Riots are what happens when 2 police officers shot 14 rounds at a person with a knife who they know has a mental problem because the police had already been to the house 3 times that day. I understand that Tasers do not always work... I also understand not having them as an option is stupid. One cop using a taser and one cop with a gun in case the taser does not work. At least at that point, they could say, we did what we could to detain him before we used deadly force. I am very pro trump and pro police but this is partly why some people are protesting in the streets. Let's just bust off 14 rounds at a guy with a knife and kill him because the department gives us no other options in the terms of non-lethal... (and yes I think Biden is an idiot saying to shoot them in the leg) When I said no offense, I meant it. I totally agree with everything you said. There are other options for non lethal, tasers shouldn’t be one of them in this case. The others aren’t financially possible on a large scale for a majority of agencies in today’s world. That scenario plays out exactly the same in most places regardless of agency budgets. Some incidents there is just no realistic way around deadly physical force. Expecting to totally avoid it altogether is unrealistic. People burning cities because a person happened to be black is something an Officer shouldn’t be thinking about while doing their job.
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Knee caps like Uncle Joe said then, I suppose....
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This is a result of a broken mental health system, not a policing issue. These people are everywhere in most communities. They aren’t crazy enough to be in a facility by today’s standards and not sane enough to be in society and consistently take their meds. And smoking crack cocaine every day does not cause mental problems.
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This is a result of a broken mental health system, not a policing issue. These people are everywhere in most communities. They aren’t crazy enough to be in a facility by today’s standards and not sane enough to be in society and consistently take their meds. And smoking crack cocaine every day does not cause mental problems. Different cause, same problem from a policing standpoint. People not thinking or acting rationally.
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NOw I support Law enforcement but it has been a very long time since I have seen a police officer that did not have a taser... 2 cops... 1 guy with a knife... He had mental health issues... no offense, but I do see the department here not taking care of their officers as best they could. I bet the police that had to kill they guy wishes he atleast had the option of a taser given the distances involved and looking at those horrible knife wounds, the cops waited too long to shoot
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When the wife and I took our concealed carry training, part of it included liabilities involving use of your weapon. We were told that, with a good attorney, shooting a knife wielding assailant inside of 21 feet......would stand-up in court as a legitimate shoot! Much data indicates that inside of 21 feet, you ar3 in great risk of being the victim! memtb
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Why in the world do Philly police not have Tasers? Makes no sense You must have missed the Chicago police video posted 3 weeks ago of a crazy buck gorilla charging a lady sargent after she tasered him in a dark city park. He pulled the prongs and closed a 20+ foot gap to bury a knife into her kevlar vest. Luckily another officer emptied his sidearm into the ape. I hope you are now better educated after the comments of this thread.
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NOw I support Law enforcement but it has been a very long time since I have seen a police officer that did not have a taser... 2 cops... 1 guy with a knife... He had mental health issues... no offense, but I do see the department here not taking care of their officers as best they could. I bet the police that had to kill they guy wishes he atleast had the option of a taser No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. In the dozens of incidents I have been involved with involving Tasers, they were only effective about 50% of the time. That is REAL WORLD. In this instance If it didn’t work there is a good chance you are getting cut or stabbed. You have to be within 25 feet for both Taser probes to realistically hit a person and in reality much closer. If both probes don’t hit and stick with a good connection it doesn’t work. Under stress there is a pretty good chance one or both are missing the person all together. A person with a knife can close that distance before Officers can act or retreat. That has been proven multiple times. There is no guarantee a back up Officer with lethal force is going to stop a knife wielding subject before he reaches the Officer with the Taser. People don’t always fall down immediately or stop what they are doing in real life as soon as they are shot.There is NO reason for an Officer to place the safety of an armed subject above his own. Him having mental health issues doesn’t change that. Those Officers could have used a taser and had it work out. It would have been because they got lucky, not because they used good tactics. No offense but in the REAL WORLD of today... Riots are what happens when 2 police officers shot 14 rounds at a person with a knife who they know has a mental problem because the police had already been to the house 3 times that day. I understand that Tasers do not always work... I also understand not having them as an option is stupid. One cop using a taser and one cop with a gun in case the taser does not work. At least at that point, they could say, we did what we could to detain him before we used deadly force. I am very pro trump and pro police but this is partly why some people are protesting in the streets. Let's just bust off 14 rounds at a guy with a knife and kill him because the department gives us no other options in the terms of non-lethal... (and yes I think Biden is an idiot saying to shoot them in the leg) you are totally right. they also have net launchers which were used for animals so they are perfect for ghetto use. they have many models. one guy on u tube made one and it worked great. they have 4 barrels which flare out. what about bear spray? Taser is far more effective than bear spray. Hyped up bad guys often show no reaction to bear spray, just like bears.
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Does anybody know the police unions' stance on arming all LEO's with tasers? I would think they would be strongly opposed. If an officer has to carry both and uses his sidearm instead of the ineffective taser the armchair quarterbacks crucify him. There's enough stress on these guys in the middle of an incident, they shouldn't have to make a decision on which weapon to draw. That's a completely different issue than having some other form of nonlethal weapon in the cruiser that could be deployed if responding to a known psych incident.
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One cop using a taser and one cop with a gun in case the taser does not work. At least at that point, they could say, we did what we could to detain him before we used deadly force.
When two officers caught out in the open are in equal imminent mortal danger and retreating from an advancing man with a knife, expecting one to divert attention from the gunsights to attempt to deploy a Taser is unreasonable.
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An adult at close quarters armed w/ a knife has the ability and opportunity to place others in imminent jeopardy of death or great bodily harm. The appropriate response to a deadly threat is lethal force. The fact that the attacker has mental health problems is not the issue. Less than lethal means may be an option if the officer utilizing it has backup prepared to use deadly force.
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