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I still have a pile of amber that I never even polished. I wonder if my fish was of the legal limit?

BigThumper,

At first, I was taken in by you. But when I read the following,



...if I didn't think you are a Mormon I would answer some of your questions.

If you would like to talk to someone who used to be an ardent evolutionist and who persued ten diferent fields of study and prooved himself wrong in all of them, give him a call at (541) 830-0720. After student Kindell prooved himself wrong, he decided to iterview evoluionary scientists to get some help. That was about thirty years ago. Dr.Kindell told me every scientist he talked to "knew" evolution was not posible in their own field, but said nothing because they thought everyone else had proven it in thier fields.

Hey Man, that fish looks at least ten years old. Maybe even younger. It's so fresh that if it was here in Oregon, you'd have to punch your Salmon/Steelhead tag.

Does it smell "fishy"????

Steve

Shoot. Nothing gets by you guys. I must confess that this is what the fish looked like the day before.



But I forgot to clean him. It rained that night and someone dumped potting soil over him during the replanting of a cactus.

Edit...

This post is a joke. Please don't anyone get mad at me.....

Everything us talking monkeys do is funny..........

Why would you think I'm a mormon? I don't even come from a religious family. however, I do think about religion sometimes and I'm trying to make sense of science and religion.

I would appreciate those answers or even what proof the gentleman you mention has that proved evolution impossible.

BTW, what was wrong with my statement you quoted? Is the question of where did God come from somehow sac religious? If it is offensive, I didn't mean it to be so, I was just trying to make the point that life had to start somewhere.

Personally in a scientific debate I could care less what your religion is or even if you have one. That is one of the big problems with these debates. Some young earth people use science within the debate but then fall back to a religious foundation if backed into a wall. Or just plain old ignore the hard questions. Not even to say, �I don�t know�. There is no shame in saying, �I don�t know� within a scientific debate. If you read my posts I have done this when I don�t know something. On the topic of what someone knows�. Well I may post some cool photos of findings. I may try to support my position with specific facts. I am posting what I believe is true about the fossil record. However is it �The truth�? Do I really know or fully understand the so-called facts I am posting? Think critically about both sides. Question what I am saying. You should be questioning me just like you are questioning the young Earth crowd. Hay Woods�how do you know that Bug was from the Cretaceous? Why do people think the Cretaceous falls within the Mesozoic era? Why did that era end? Is it real in the first place? Why ask these questions? Because some in the old earth crowd will spit out scientific data that supports nothing or even take a leap of faith in their own right to form some outlandish conclusions. People use science for this all the time. Look at global warming. Sounds right? Or does it? But does anyone truly understand all aspects of a fantastically complex thing like Earths climate or the whole solar system for that matter. Or are they just pushing guess work told as facts and short-term graphs on people? Not saying one way or the other on that topic as it falls outside this thread but just saying think for yourself. As for the Creation Museum if people wish to go there and believe what they see on religious grounds than I say it is a good thing. But if people expect the scientific community to accept it than it must stand on it�s own scientific legs. The same is true for Intelligent Design. If someone wishes to believe in that on religious grounds so be it. But if they want it to be a part of the sciences within the public education system than it to must stand on it�s own scientific legs too.

PS�.. I am too tired right now to respond to any of those questions I told you to ask me.

By Golly, that's amazing!!!!

Will it work on elk? I'd love to have a petrified elk in my front room. Just think of all the taxidermy bills I could save. Way COOL.

Maybe I could pertify my brother-in-law. Excellent.

Steve

BigThumper,

I supose most Mormons don't lie. Therefore I will post at least once more. Why would I think you're a Mormon? They believe and say the same thing about thier God.



I didn't say he prooved it imposible. I said he prooved himself wrong in ten different fields of study. So call him. I called him a few minutes ago and told him I posted his number. He said, "I doubt if he will call. Most people have already made up thier minds and don't want to hear the Truth." Again, I say, call him.



Again, since you say you are not a Mormon, I will try to help you with some info. The Bible claims to be God's Word. God of the Christian Bible says He is Infinite. Infinite has no limits, bounds, starts, stops, dimentions, ignorance, etc., etc. Asking where God of the Bible came from is like asking, To whom is the bachlor married? It is a nonsequetor. It conveys no information.

I did not know that about the Mormon faith. But then, I know little about most of the World's religions.

Don't forget that much of the water in the flood came from underground. That had to leave some mighty big empty holes down there. These days we see sinkholes in places like Florida where the ground collapses due to a draining away of underground water. Think of the sinkholes that would appear when an underground ocean is removed.

Dick

My understanding of the Earth's crust composition is that the Ocean floor has quite a bit different composition than the land. Land is mostly Al and Si. If the 'buckle' theory were correct, wouldn't the composition be the same?

Betting it would be impratical for Elk. As for the brother-in-law? Hummmm thinking that he would have to wear cowboy boots and than fall out of an airplane.....

One more quick post before I'm out for the night.

In every science class I've taken, I've been encouraged to question existing theories. To pursue facts and knowledge by testing and to ask why or how.

It seems the jist of what many are saying here is that we should not question creationism or the Bible(even though it was written and translated by fellow sinners). We must just trust in out faith.

I am very uncomfotable with that. It seem that there are many religions we share this planet with(which I have already admitted I know little about). If we blindly believe we(Christians) are right and other religions do the same, is there not potential for conflict? I can't believe this is what God wants?

I can't believe He wants it either, but the followers seem to LOVE it....

First thing about the above question you asked Rock Chuck. Forget about Aluminum and Silicon. Just how much water does it take to buckle the Lithosphere? Does anyone know? So how can someone say the floods water buckled it? What happened to that water? Heck I keep hearing about 13,000,000 atoms of Helium per inch of whatever. I believe Christians are right because I am one. This is a matter of faith. As for the rest..I don't care until they try and murder us like the Islamic terrorist. Than we have a problem. But I don�t believe the Earth is 6000 years old. The Creation museum is using science so hence the debate should center on science. If it does not than what we have is a church not a museum.

WoodsWalker,



One can go to www.answersingenesis.org to see whether they are using science or religeon.

The problem with this point of view (which I used to share by the way) is that God says in His word that "the evening and the morning were the first day, the evening and the morning were the second day, the evening and the morning were the third day..." etc...

So, realizing that evening and morning come as the earth rotates, we either have to believe that the days were literal 24 hour days, or that the earth was for some reason turning really, REALLY slow way back then.

If we truly believe that God is capable of creation in the first place, why do we let science confuse us as to what His word literally says?

Read 1 Timothy, chapter 6 verse 20: 20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge� 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
Grace be with you. Amen.

The KJV says, instead of "knowledge", "science, falsely so called."

Dan

Thanks Ringman....

I am checking it out. I think this is a more direct link.

http://www.creationmuseum.org/


I am a hands on kind of guy. I would have to go there and review what they have on display and read what is said about the display. I did like the �safe retreat� pun in the Dinosaur Den section of the web site. As for it being science I need not agree or disagree with the findings just so long as the methodology is sound. Now you have made me really wanting to check this place out.