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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring. Yep we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago. Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote. Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you're really not far from the truth if you want to see this country survive. Otherwise, ypure at the mercy of people who vote for a living rather than work for a living. Unless you know another way, we'd likely have to change the Constitution? What about folks like me? Retired after working since before I had a "paycheck", as in mowing lawns and scheidt so I could buy my own Levi's instead of letting the folks buy my pants at K-Mart or JC Penney's? And I paid taxes on those pants at 14 years old. And every other thing I purchased. Oh, and now I pay taxes on my SS and my retirement income. Is that enough to buy me a vote? And we are in the process of buying our place, only 10 more years to go, maybe less as we pay extra every month. But, what about the retired folks who don't have enough income to pay income taxes now, especially after figuring in the medical bills. And they don't own property, they rent? Should they get a vote?
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Are the Amish generally democrats? Should they be able to vote even? They pay taxes. They work. They own land and property. Thats a schitload more than what most Liberal Socialist Democrat minon voters can ever claim. Are the taxes they pay commensurate with the .gov programs they take advantage of? If not, it's like saying a ghetto rat should vote as far as I'm concerned. You don't buy voting rights. "commensurate" has nothing to do with it. Bezos does not get to vote more than you just because he pays more anymore than an unemployed person gets to vote less than you. I believe you imagine yourself more important then you are. Your imagination is apparently something to behold cupcake.
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Are the Amish generally democrats? Should they be able to vote even? Are you for fuggin' real?
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If the Amish decide to vote it's only because they don't want anyone else assuming their position as the biggest fleecers of this country.
But like most civic responsibilities, I'm sure they'll sit at home and leave it to white people to handle. what do you mean about the Amish being fleecers? Where would I even begin? I could give plenty of examples but the crowd on here that visited the Hollywood version of the Amish in tourist traps all over the USA , would tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll give you one small example. The state I live in has one of the largest amish populations in the country. We also have the highest fuel tax in the country. Part of that tax is supposedly earmarked for state highway maintainence. The Amish buggies running up and down these state owned roads, causing danger to motorists, and dropping horse [bleep] everywhere, don't pay fuel tax to support those roads. I'd imagine that if a person calculated what the average resident of this state pays in fuel tax in their lifetime it would be mind boggling. The last time I checked it was something like 55 cents a gallon. Now imagine that total for a lifetime. The Amish do not pay that and gave full use of those roads. That is one elementary example of the bullchit that this cult gets away with. The Amish buy gasoline from the same pumps anyone else is allowed to buy it from. I've watched them fill up 3 and 4 five gallon cans and carry it home in their buggies MANY times. I ride a bicycle 16 miles a day all summer long on a state highway the Amish use and I probably get a lot better look at their Horse ***t droppings than you do. I'll take what they drop in the highway over the hundreds of broken beer and whiskey bottles, car parts, lumber, screws, nails, nuts, bolts, and miscellaneous glass from the rest of the population any day.
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Go through your list on your own and use some common sense Only advice you can trust is that given to your self. Try it some time.
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Are the Amish generally democrats? Should they be able to vote even? They pay taxes. They work. They own land and property. Thats a schitload more than what most Liberal Socialist Democrat minon voters can ever claim. Are the taxes they pay commensurate with the .gov programs they take advantage of? If not, it's like saying a ghetto rat should vote as far as I'm concerned. You don't buy voting rights. "commensurate" has nothing to do with it. Bezos does not get to vote more than you just because he pays more anymore than an unemployed person gets to vote less than you. I believe you imagine yourself more important then you are. Your imagination is apparently something to behold cupcake. They do okay....thats for sure.
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I will only speak about the Amish communities I have 40 years of direct experience with, and the Amish i know personally, whose homes I've been in and who have been in my homes. The ones I've done business with and had work done by and the ones I've done work for. The ones who've given me the use of a team when needed and have taken care of my horses, chickens and property when I've been gone for a while and have taught my kids to handle and drive a team and whose property I've always been welcome to hunt:
They work six days a week. They pay property taxes. The don't go to grievance day to try to get their property taxes reduced. The bulk of their property taxes go to fund public schools they don't send their kids to. They build and support their own schools. They don't take government money or assistance in any way, shape or form. They don't vote or register to vote or support any political candidates.
I have, on occasion, heard all kinds of uninformed BS about them as gospel, mostly by people who've never had any direct contact with them, who fear anyone a little different than they, and who spend their afternoons or evenings hanging over a bar with a bunch of other lifelong losers, sucking Coors lite and seeing who can outdo each other with tales of how bad and what a threat to society the Amish are. Amen I'd only add that Amish communities DO DIFFER from one area to another and even as individuals, kind of like everyone else and stereotypes.
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring. Yep we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago. Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote. Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you're really not far from the truth if you want to see this country survive. Otherwise, ypure at the mercy of people who vote for a living rather than work for a living. Unless you know another way, we'd likely have to change the Constitution? What about folks like me? Retired after working since before I had a "paycheck", as in mowing lawns and scheidt so I could buy my own Levi's instead of letting the folks buy my pants at K-Mart or JC Penney's? And I paid taxes on those pants at 14 years old. And every other thing I purchased. Oh, and now I pay taxes on my SS and my retirement income. Is that enough to buy me a vote? And we are in the process of buying our place, only 10 more years to go, maybe less as we pay extra every month. But, what about the retired folks who don't have enough income to pay income taxes now, especially after figuring in the medical bills. And they don't own property, they rent? Should they get a vote? So because you're old you should have the right to participate in the political process? What about politicians then than that run of expanding ss and other benefits for seniors? Is that any different than the Dems buying votes with free Obama phones? Should you have been allowed to vote at 14 because you bought some blue jeans? It's funny watching you guys heads spin. Remember I didn't say it was realistic to implement different voting requirements, (although I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems try to do it in the near future, with a far different goal) , but I'll stand by my comment that way too many are voting for a living rather than working for a living.
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I have nothing but respect for the Amish I know around these parts. Give me a dozen of em on a construction crew any day of the week, or in the back country with bows and arrows or loaded weapons. They know how to work, they know how to hunt, and best of all they aren't full of [bleep]. How they do or do not vote does not concern me, but it it most certainly their privilege to do so. I don't see the Amish wearing skinny jeans or man buns, and some of the women are HAWT!
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If the Amish decide to vote it's only because they don't want anyone else assuming their position as the biggest fleecers of this country.
But like most civic responsibilities, I'm sure they'll sit at home and leave it to white people to handle. what do you mean about the Amish being fleecers? Where would I even begin? I could give plenty of examples but the crowd on here that visited the Hollywood version of the Amish in tourist traps all over the USA , would tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll give you one small example. The state I live in has one of the largest amish populations in the country. We also have the highest fuel tax in the country. Part of that tax is supposedly earmarked for state highway maintainence. The Amish buggies running up and down these state owned roads, causing danger to motorists, and dropping horse [bleep] everywhere, don't pay fuel tax to support those roads. I'd imagine that if a person calculated what the average resident of this state pays in fuel tax in their lifetime it would be mind boggling. The last time I checked it was something like 55 cents a gallon. Now imagine that total for a lifetime. The Amish do not pay that and gave full use of those roads. That is one elementary example of the bullchit that this cult gets away with. The Amish buy gasoline from the same pumps anyone else is allowed to buy it from. I've watched them fill up 3 and 4 five gallon cans and carry it home in their buggies MANY times. I ride a bicycle 16 miles a day all summer long on a state highway the Amish use and I probably get a lot better look at their Horse ***t droppings than you do. I'll take what they drop in the highway over the hundreds of broken beer and whiskey bottles, car parts, lumber, screws, nails, nuts, bolts, and miscellaneous glass from the rest of the population any day. So the Amish buy gasoline to run their generators, then use the roads for free to take it home. And other people litter and you watch this from your bike? This sounds like biden teleprompter meltdown. Btw, if I went and filled my gas cans, I'd still have to use gas or diesel to get home so I'm paying to use that road. They are not. That's not ok
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Over half the people in this country pay no taxes. Everyone should pay or do community service as possible so they have skin in the game.
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Over half the people in this country pay no taxes. Everyone should pay or do community service as possible so they have skin in the game. I am not sure at all how you get the non productive voters out of their lair to do community service. You have the elderly, the early retired, the ones getting "crazy" checks, the criminals that haven't been caught yet, the farmers on USDA subsidy, the folks in school, the stay at home spouses, and most of all government employees. There are a bunch that should not be able to vote on themselves tapping into the treasury but that is not happening. Then you have corporate interests like Walmart that started screaming about food stamp cuts or the ag industry suppliers like Deere and Monsanto and Dekalb that soak up the farm subsidies. There is way over half the country at the trough Me included.
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So the when the country was founded, 10 people pulled the cart. Now what percentage ride in the cart, 50-55-60 percent?
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I saw a few behind him at one of his PA rallies on TV. I thought they might be "Amish Lite" Mennonites. That was in Lititz on Monday I believe. Lots of Amish/Mennonites down that way. Was nice to see them there. I saw a video on Facefugg the other day with a bunch of Amish buggies (a parade) in Punxy Pa running down the road with Trump flags hanging in the rear.
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring. Yep we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago. Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote. Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you're really not far from the truth if you want to see this country survive. Otherwise, ypure at the mercy of people who vote for a living rather than work for a living. Unless you know another way, we'd likely have to change the Constitution? What about folks like me? Retired after working since before I had a "paycheck", as in mowing lawns and scheidt so I could buy my own Levi's instead of letting the folks buy my pants at K-Mart or JC Penney's? And I paid taxes on those pants at 14 years old. And every other thing I purchased. Oh, and now I pay taxes on my SS and my retirement income. Is that enough to buy me a vote? And we are in the process of buying our place, only 10 more years to go, maybe less as we pay extra every month. But, what about the retired folks who don't have enough income to pay income taxes now, especially after figuring in the medical bills. And they don't own property, they rent? Should they get a vote? So because you're old you should have the right to participate in the political process? What about politicians then than that run of expanding ss and other benefits for seniors? Is that any different than the Dems buying votes with free Obama phones? Should you have been allowed to vote at 14 because you bought some blue jeans? It's funny watching you guys heads spin. Remember I didn't say it was realistic to implement different voting requirements, (although I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems try to do it in the near future, with a far different goal) , but I'll stand by my comment that way too many are voting for a living rather than working for a living. Not sure what you're talking about. My head hasn't spun in years. Just addressing some of the topics you brought up. Just because I'm old and "unemployed" doesn't mean I'm not still "contributing" . I only brought up the purchasing pants at 14 to make a point, that I was working & paying taxes (and perhaps no being a drain?) long before I was eligible to cast a vote. And some of those taxes I paid, through my employment, contributed to SS so others would have an income in their old age. ANd I gladly paid those taxes and many others, and put money in retirement accounts (money that was no doubt used by others to make more money?) so that I could retire and enjoy the fruits of MY labor, SS included in the mix. I'll agree with you that perhaps too many are voting that shouldn't be, but as far as I can tell that's the way our country works. Maybe we can start a petition to change it? Seems we're allowed to petition the govt. with our grievances.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Every single time. Posters read what they want to, find a way to get pussy hurt and then drip all over the board. Trying to find a reason to take offense, even if they have to stand on one leg, close the opposing eye, and flap their arms like a goony bird to do it.
good grief
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Every single time. Posters read what they want to, find a way to get pussy hurt and then drip all over the board. Trying to find a reason to take offense, even if they have to stand on one leg, close the opposing eye, and flap their arms like a goony bird to do it.
good grief And some simply disagree and then are verbally attacked by chickenscchitts hiding behind their keyboards.
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Every single time. Posters read what they want to, find a way to get pussy hurt and then drip all over the board. Trying to find a reason to take offense, even if they have to stand on one leg, close the opposing eye, and flap their arms like a goony bird to do it.
good grief And some simply disagree and then are verbally attacked by chickenscchitts hiding behind their keyboards. I forgive you for your attacks, and I don't think your a chickenscchitt. FWIW
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