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...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Tanks have been obsolete against anything but two bit countries for a long time. They’re only relevant now when one country can’t establish air dominance against the other.
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I would tell you to ask the fuggers on Hwy-80 if they are obsolete but I’ll just tell you they are.
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I would tell you to ask the fuggers on Hwy-80 if they are obsolete but I’ll just tell you they are. Don't make that gut eater start crying.
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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The Marine Corps thinks tanks are obsolete.
They have disbanded all the tank battalions to focus resources back to their littoral combat roots.
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Warthogs finished making tanks obsolete.
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Go up against a M1A2, Leopard, or a Merkava without a system like a Javelin missle in a ground fight. Your pretty well fugged with no AT capability.
Sov bloc tanks..... Pfffft...... Fugging AT4 Flank or azz shot will disable or knock em out.
We are really the only nation that can project heavy forces worldwide in 24 to 36 hrs with our lift capability. Bde Combat teams.
With plenty of schitt to keep following.
Why we fight a thing that is still relevant today as much as it was in the past.
Air Land battle Doctrine. AKA: The refinement of german blitzkrieg/ mobile warfare.
Which has adapted to asymetric warfare in this day and age.
Aircraft have a valuble critical purpose and mission. But they cant hold and own ground 24/7. Only boots and fighting vehicles on the ground can do that.
Armour is still very relevant and needed in todays scenarios
You all do remember President Trump sold the Urkraine a AT system called the Javelin.
Vlad dont want his armour destroyed by ground based missles.
Im surprised they havent adapted a javelin system to work in conjunction with hellfires on apaches. Who knows they might have already.
Be a hellava combo. Long Standoff distance LOS Hellfires lasar guided missles And medium range fire and forget Javelins.
Be a pretty potent helicoptor . Waay more than it already is.
I think M1A2,s would be awesome for Liberal Socialist Democrat riotors here in the states.
Just run em over and grind em under the tracks.
LOL!!!!
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I have posted here before about my BIL. Retired AF Colonel, fought both gulf wars and Bosnia in A-10's. He now works for a private company contracted by the Gov't to train drone pilots. He takes them up in real planes, gets them their pilot license and teaches them combat skills, then does it all over again with VR goggles and computers. We kill azzholes on the other side of the planet from the comfort of an office chair. As he says, "we cheat, and they have no chance". I love it.
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The company that I just took an offer from also does hand held anit-drone tech. Not for the big military grade ones but civilian grade. FWIW. Might be good for business.
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Given choice take the job of flying remote drone. Air Service is also very good. You get better respect, accommodations and will not hear screams when your ordinance hits them, no nightmares later in life.
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The height of defense will be the jamming device. You don't have to shoot it down if you can blind it.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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Ok, but the operator will be sitting hundreds or thousands of miles away in comfortable, safe room. A tank is a steel or composite armor coffin.
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"There are times when a corps commander’s life doesn’t count!”
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
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Missiles have gotten too good for tanks to remain relevant. Back when you had to have some poor dude sitting within range of the tank to get the chance to knock it out they were useful.
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My guess is that this is going to sway back and forth for some time to come. An AT drone is probably going to be a sitting duck for another hunter-killer drone. A tank brigade could put up a swarm of those little autonomous buggers and let them blow the AT drones out of the sky. If the problem hasn't been worked on, it will be.
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The company that I just took an offer from also does hand held anit-drone tech. Not for the big military grade ones but civilian grade. FWIW. Might be good for business. Imagine what the bad guys could do with cheap drones like that. The possibilities are endless.
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The company that I just took an offer from also does hand held anit-drone tech. Not for the big military grade ones but civilian grade. FWIW. Might be good for business. Imagine what the bad guys could do with cheap drones like that. The possibilities are endless. My nephew is a marine master Sargent. When he was a gunny he was part of MARSCOM and attached to a special force unit in Iraq. He hold me the Isis guys were taking commercial drones, attaching 40mm grenades, and drop them on his unit. Said they blew up a vehicle of theirs. He kinda laughed a bit about it. Haven't told him about the job yet.
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Nope. Electronics go down and drones are screwed.
Theorists theorize....
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Given choice take the job of flying remote drone. Air Service is also very good. You get better respect, accommodations and will not hear screams when your ordinance hits them, no nightmares later in life. Oh, so that's how they do it in Soviet'ski land. Pugs is your friend. LMAO.
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Warfare has been a constant see-saw between arms and armor since way before Anuk the Mesopotamian put stiffened hides on a wooden framework to protect himself from some Hill Tribe warrior with a club.
The advantage now is to the arms side so the ball is in the armor developer's court, it will be interesting to see what they come up with.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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