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Check out the documentary on Netflix The Social Dilemma which explains part of why ground-level D’s might not even register what is really going on at all.
Due to the use of algorithms in our media intake we’re all hearing completely different stories.
Not saying that makes it ok, but it does help explain some of the underlying reasons for why we look at things so differently.
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noone that is seriously in support of bringing America together should be adverse to a complete do-over with consistent rules to elect a National president that represents everyone.
right now things are ugly. and in the face of the rest of the world (no, they don't count) they see us as a second level country.
it might cost some time and money to mount a true, honest election that folks can trust. but, so what?
look at the benefits. it'd be an outcome that everyone can support and get behind.
the marines and soldiers can stay home. no need for their services.
a re-do in order to better get a grip on accurate results..
it could happen if there's enough support. If there were enough support, Trum0 would have won with a 65% majority. Trump won with at least that much. It was stolen.
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The bottom line is - no one should feel good about the election process - and as crazy as it sounds we really should consider doing the whole thing over again with safeguards in place that prevent any questionable decisions - with a standard set of rules that apply in every state, every district, every precinct.
If Biden does get in the democrats will be so emboldened that you can rest assured there will be safeguards in place to assure no Republican ever wins another election. Not the safeguards we’re looking for. This is pretty much my take,I told the warden if this works,there will never be another Conserative prez.
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Check out the documentary on Netflix The Social Dilemma which explains part of why ground-level D’s might not even register what is really going on at all.
Due to the use of algorithms in our media intake we’re all hearing completely different stories.
Not saying that makes it ok, but it does help explain some of the underlying reasons for why we look at things so differently. It explains the homes I see in lower middle class to upper middle class neighborhoods and even rule farm county with Biden signs even saw one Biden sign with an American flag up. They were heavily outnumbered by Trump signs but any thinking middle class basically traditional values person with a Biden sign doesn’t make sense to me.
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They won't of course but no one can feel good about this election
The process was flawed, many voices feared what would happen and those who expressed fears of ballot dumping and behind close doors vote counting were spot on.
and now we are at a point where if Trump does win thru legal means, they are going to say the election was stolen
and if Biden wins from getting 3am truckloads of ballots, we're going to say the election was stolen.
The bottom line is - no one should feel good about the election process - and as crazy as it sounds we really should consider doing the whole thing over again with safeguards in place that prevent any questionable decisions - with a standard set of rules that apply in every state, every district, every precinct. I for one don't give a fk' what they say, they stole it and Trump needs to steal it back...fk'em all, every fk'n one of those traitors. And if they succeed in stealing the election, most of those [bleep]'rs have jobs, families, drive gas and diesel powered vehicles, eat out, shop and every fk'n one of them will suffer just like us and I hope it cripples liberal families, causes depression and suicides, murder suicides...I hate every democrat and always will. The sorry [bleep]'rs simply hate Trump like I hated and still hate Zero, but he was the first to seriously try to destroy our country and that is the polar opposite of Trump. Demoncrats, Liberals, Socialists...they are so fk'n stupid
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People rightfully focus on suspicious activity during the election itself. But the theft of this election started 4 years ago, not a couple days ago. The day that Hilary lost, a well organized, well financed, and well propagandized theft of the election started and hasn't stopped since. This is a good point. I saw it. We all saw it. I wonder why we didn't push for change, instead of just bitching while it happened.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
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They won't of course but no one can feel good about this election
The process was flawed, many voices feared what would happen and those who expressed fears of ballot dumping and behind close doors vote counting were spot on.
and now we are at a point where if Trump does win thru legal means, they are going to say the election was stolen
and if Biden wins from getting 3am truckloads of ballots, we're going to say the election was stolen.
The bottom line is - no one should feel good about the election process - and as crazy as it sounds we really should consider doing the whole thing over again with safeguards in place that prevent any questionable decisions - with a standard set of rules that apply in every state, every district, every precinct. The process wasn't "flawed" it was corrupted by democrats who broke the law and the trust of American citizens. And will continue to do so. Yep, a lesson we have ignored, over and over and over... didn't Einstein say something about that?
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
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The real problem goes above even those evil demo-rats. The people really in power ( the likes of George Soros; etc.) love this chaos. The people and both parties along with race and class warfare are simply pawns on the board to be used and manipulated. If we can never again have free, fair; and just elections- then we are nothing but a banana republic and true democracy is lost.
This did not happen over night, this has been planned for decades. It sure is feeling like the last days of what has been by and large a truly great country. But, right now there are some evil, corrupt traitors that are trying to kill it from within.
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Abraham Lincoln in 1838:
“ How then shall we perform it? — At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? — Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! — All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
[/b]At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”[b]
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Said it before -when the boomers are drooling on their bib in the old folks home the country will be officially gone . It's all but gone now and isn't coming back - chipsNdips
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Said it before -when the boomers are drooling on their bib in the old folks home the country will be officially gone . It's all but gone now and isn't coming back - chipsNdips It’s ironic that the boomers in a lot of ways are the generation that ushered in what we have today and are also the last generation that stands against what it’s becoming.
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Silencing the media is the key. They are the [bleep] stirrers. I was up all night trying to figure out how to accomplish this, local news channels included....It is beyond disgusting and it is unbelievable how many believe every freaking word out of their mouth, and the journalists are having orgasms as they wreak havoc. Sodom and Gomorrah were like this in the end!
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Needs to be a dramatic change in the voting and counting process. Something done in block-code or something. I’m not tech savvy enough to have the answer. But a radically new system of casting, and tallying votes. It’s that simple. Benefits either side of the political aisle. Benefits true democracy.
The average human simply isn’t inherently in possession of the integrity necessary to gather and count votes impartially. Sad, true. Way I see it.
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Nothing wrong with the oval optical scan machines. Except they should serialize and time stamp every stored paper ballot, (if they do not already).
Results are instantly transmitted and tabulated as each ballot is cast. Hard copy of each ballot is stored for quick and efficient recount. And each ballot should be traceable to precinct and machine.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I believe the media poses a much larger threat to the well being of this country than Democrats do. X100
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Perhaps the presidential ballot should be administered by the feds to avoid the vagaries of county and state differences.
Whole nother set of problems and risks having the ‘from the .gov, here to help’ crowd. Somehow it needs to be standardized.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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Perhaps the presidential ballot should be administered by the feds to avoid the vagaries of county and state differences.
Whole nother set of problems and risks having the ‘from the .gov, here to help’ crowd. Somehow it needs to be standardized. Not really. "Standardization" was generally just being a principled American doing the "right thing". Its largely why the SC is a joke. The Constitution and the voting process are not politcal, unless they are forced to be. .gov is definitely not going to improve things.
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There was no "ballot dumping behind closed doors." What the hell are you talking about? There literally hasn't been a single example provided, by the Trump campaign or anyone else, of an amount of voter fraud that could possibly influence the election in even the narrowest of states like Georgia. There's no sign--except for the ravings of a narcissistic loser who can't come to grips with what happened--that voter fraud in this election exceeds the 0.0025 % or less that's been found in studies of past elections.
Step out of the world of unsubstantiated rightwing conspiracy theories spread by high school dropouts on talk radio and Facebook memes. Look at what's actually happening. Look at real evidence, not conspiracy theories.
The fact is Trump lost because 4+ million more people voted for a candidate who's vastly more intelligent, more qualified, more professional, more coherent, and more mature than Trump. Biden has good ideas for how to solve the problems we face. Trump literally didn't even HAVE plans for most of them. Not even bad plans. Just no plans at all. On major issues like health care, his plan was literally just to pretend he has a plan and talk about how awesome it is (without ever actually producing it). It's disturbing that 70 million people were willing to vote for the guy whose platform was basically "the dog ate my homework," but fortunately 4+ million more people saw through Trump's bullshit.
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Perhaps the presidential ballot should be administered by the feds to avoid the vagaries of county and state differences.
Whole nother set of problems and risks having the ‘from the .gov, here to help’ crowd. Somehow it needs to be standardized. Not really. "Standardization" was generally just being a principled American doing the "right thing". Its largely why the SC is a joke. The Constitution and the voting process are not politcal, unless they are forced to be. .gov is definitely not going to improve things. .gov is running elections now. It’s just done however any county feels like doing it. From method, to absentees, early, unsolicited by-mail, to time lines. Every polling place should be the same. ETA: forget to include ballot harvesting and ballot curing. Too much slop, and too easy to corrupt.
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They pretty much used to be; when people voted at the polls on the second Tuesday in November....
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