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The attacker almost always has the advantage. And I'm sure everybody's hit ratio goes down after the first shot.

Murderers, if caught, should get one trial. They should have ONE appeal, and one year to accomplish. Any lawyer or judge that delays it should get one YEAR in jail, no exceptions. At the end of the appeal and the conviction is upheld, there should be a hanging on the courthouse steps at the next high noon. Public! And Thanks DD, Be Well, RZ.

bull sh it . I bet anything they owed a narco money or some one else. how much property can you own if you are looking to buy your drugs in canada or messico? you another full of crap boomer

google it very easy to find

Most do. However most cops aren't getting out with their long gun unless they are responding to an active disturbance.

Force science has proven if someone is reacting in a gunfight they are at a scientific disadvantage due to statistically proven reaction times (including well trained individuals).

Better than you, since you're an inbred corksuckin tard

But clearly a wealthy inbred corcksuckin tard

Wow....eye opening.

The stat that really caught my eye was an almost 2:1 hit ratio in favor of the bad guys. They might practice more than the good guys do.


0% legally obtained weapons didnt suprise me at all.

The only bulshit is your constant dribble.

1. Police chasing a schitball who hopped a fence and shot the guy in the face who was just messing with his plants. Had just retired from the county.
2. Kid had a gun he "found" somewhere. Let schitball handle it. Schitball didn't want to give it back. So he shot the kid.

I've posted about these 2 incidents before. Long ago.

Look it up, moron.. Since you're so good at sniffing my farts.

As usual, You are fullashit.

I would bet the difference would be accounted for by who shoots first. If you're reacting to gunfire at 15ft or less, usually whomever shoots first usually hits first. Even if the gun is drawn, you're still .2 seconds behind the 8 ball if you're reacting. Most folks can get two shots off in .2 seconds, so if you're reacting like most officers are you're two rounds in the hole.

I started my 30 year career in law enforcement in 1971. We were issued a Colt Police Positive in 38 Spl and 15 rounds of ammo -- six in the revolver and 9 in a pocket (loose) or in a duty bag. we complained that in a gun fight, you wouldn't be able to access your spare ammo easily, so they did a study and issued us a 6 shot leather ammo carrier to be worn on our Sam Brown belt, on the inside so as not to inflame the public. What to do with the other three rounds? You guessed it -- loose in a pocket or duty bag. We needed special permission from the district Superintendent to take a long gun on patrol which never happened unless you were dispatched to a gun call. The long guns were a Winchester 94 in 30-30, a Remington 870 in 12 gauge, of the one we never got to use, a FAL C1A1 in 7.62x51 mm.

In the mid 70's we were issued S&W model 10 bull barrels which was a vastly superior arm. We still had the same 15 rounds and inside the belt carrying contraption.

After NATO dropped the 308 round, we were issued with Ruger Mini 14 in 223, and were allowed to keep one locked in the trunk of the patrol car without permission. About the same time we were issued a speed loader with the same 15 rounds until we complained and were eventually issued 18 rounds of +P SWC and two speed loaders.

About 1994 or so, we were issued Sig Sauer P229's in 40 S&W with 3 12 round magazines, and AR 15 C8 which we were ordered to take on patrol.

I retired at the end of 2001. My point is that changes to police armament and training do occur, but they are slow in coming. Most police officers are not shooters . . . . . . but the smart ones are. I used to shoot between 3 and 5 thousand rounds a year on my own nickel. I wanted the advantage if there was one.

Stay safe out there.

you and wackson can go to hell. you people are so dumb that when you hear facts you act like jesse jackson when shown black crime rates

We have one guy who is a competitive shooter and our SRT team leader. He is the fastest guy on a trigger I have ever seen and or been around. Even he loses in these types of scenarios. Action is always faster. End of story. The number one issue with these types of incidents is the location of the suspects hands prior to the shooting. They always have their hands on the gun prior to the shooting and know prior they are going to shoot.

Every source I have found used fatalities or fatalities plus injuries as the metrics by which they establish how dangerous a job is. That's just plain ffuukking silly. If a cop gets shot at but isn't hit, no danger existed right?

The average non cop shooter is an inner city drug dealer shooting another inner city drug dealer at night in the hood. They have a decent chance of getting away with it. Shoot a cop after he’s likely called there info in and has dash cams and body cams on showing exactly who you are and the manhunt to follow and you’re certainly a much bigger threat to the average citizen than typical drug dealers and gangbangers.

Why do you hate the police? They’re not perfect by a long shot but most are good people. We as a society could not function without them.

Not just the danger but the stress. Dealing with people that want to get combative over everything. Woman that call the police because they’re boyfriend hit them but now they’re recording the cop and trash talking or taking a threatening stance towards the cop for arresting the person they just called the police on. Walking up to a car that they just pulled over not knowing the people in the car or if it’s stollen. Annoying and unpredictable drunks. People that will call the department and report fabricated brutality ect, people that will taunt you and try to egg on a fight. Having to be on the scene when 911 is called because someone lives alone and dies but isn’t discovered until the apartment smells, suicides, sex assaults.

There’s a whole lot of comparable pay jobs that come with less danger and stress than police work.

My city would not authorize "a weapon of war" in a patrol car until 2007, and that was only after a immense amount of pressure and cost analysis. They are afraid of lawsuits and payouts. They do not care if a cop gets killed in the line of duty. They fear the cost, both in dollars and political perception, if an innocent or a criminal gets shot by the police.

But according to sploogex70, he didn't have it bad.

Are you [bleep] me? If I NEARLY fell off a roof, that's the same as if I did? No, that's only for cops. [bleep] ridiculous.

Well you know what they say about retards.......they're retarded.