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I am looking at getting my first non muzzleloader barrel for an Encore, and looking to get everyone’s opinion. Is a rimmed cartridge like a 30-30 a better option in a single shot break action Vs a non rimmed cartridge? I would only use it for woods hunting inside of 100 yards. Looking to get it from MGM.
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If you’re going to do a MGM barrel, you have lots of choices. Bobby Tomek, here on the fire, is a great source of T/C calibers and might have some good input for you
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Inside 100 yds most any rimmed cartridge will go the trick. .30-30 won’t give any regrets.
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The Contender is a much better platform for the 30-30 than the Encore.
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.30/30 is fine, but never a factory option for the Encore AFIK. Custom is pricey, but you get what you want.
Encore .308 and .30/06 barrels are everywhere for about $300. If you handload, there’s a .30/30 in the box too.
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The Contender is a much better platform for the 30-30 than the Encore. How so?
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I would like a contender in 30-30, it just seems like a nice trim package, but I already have the encore frame and stocks, and I like the way it fits me. I have been looking around at prohunter barrels, but they are longer than I would like, and fluted, so it would look funny if I chopped it. I do reload and I guess I could go with a 308, but I had heard it was better to headspace off the rim and just wondered if there was any truth to that. Thanks for the input gentlemen!
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The 30-30, and cartridges based off of the 30-30 and .444 were designed for the smaller frame.(a nice trim package). Better trigger too. The Encore is larger and heaver. Designed for higher pressure cartridges. I wouldn't want my 22lr or 22Khornet on an encore platform. Likewise, the 30-30 is perfect for the Contender. I understand the OP has an Encore frame, and "push came to shove", I would find a custom barrel, properly chambered to eliminate any headspace issues. I don't recommend the prohunter barrels.
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If you’re looking for 308ish performance and want a rim maybe look at the old 307 Winchester.
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Is a rimmed cartridge like a 30-30 a better option in a single shot break action Vs a non rimmed cartridge? Contenders and Encores will handle rimmed or rimless cartridges equally well.
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.30/30 is fine, but never a factory option for the Encore AFIK. Custom is pricey, but you get what you want.
Encore .308 and .30/06 barrels are everywhere for about $300. If you handload, there’s a .30/30 in the box too. This. Treat it like your car. Use as much throttle as you need.
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I've found the 30/30 isn't throttle heavy friendly. The cases are the weak link.
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Is a rimmed cartridge like a 30-30 a better option in a single shot break action Vs a non rimmed cartridge? Contenders and Encores will handle rimmed or rimless cartridges equally well. Thanks for all the replies. I think I will try a rimless round first. (One I have brass and dies for the way things are these days)
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You can have a rim cutout on a 308 barrel, and shoot both 307 & 308. Rimmed might be easier to grasp with gloves on for extraction, but that’s about it. unless you’re looking at a straight wall cartridge, the encore is gonna headspace off the shoulder....so stuff with wimpy shoulders used with a breach face headspace gap (break open, single shots) are sometimes tempting trouble....35 rem, regular hornet, and such....or so Mike Bellm has told me.
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Well, MGM had a 6.5 creed barrel pop up on the in stock list. Bought it, and one of their scope bases, and had it in a week. The finish an workmanship look fantastic. I put on a spare vx1 3-9x40 I had on the bench. Shot it on Saturday using 140 gr factory amax’s I had on the shelf to break it in. After following their break in procedure, I switched to some 120 gr nosler BT’s I loaded .005 off of the lands with a mid range load of imr4350. The three shot group went into 0.6” ctc. Very happy with it.
Thanks for the input, everyone. Now I just have to find more of the BT’s...
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That's the way I see my Contenders and Encores. Put the right fuel in their tank and get top performance. Be Well, RZ.
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Once you by one MGM barrel for your Encore they are going to multiply.
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Great choice in both caliber and barrel maker!
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