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Pretty sure the Remington plants are Shut down. Very little available here except for waterfowl shotshells. Glad I can load my own. I plan on loading up my existing cases in the next couple of months in case some laws are changed about loading your own.
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OldHat: Yes... it is real!
Just like the last few "shortages" we endured.
I hope YOU were prepared - I know I was.
Strange times we are living in!
Hold into the wind
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Some can conjure up a conspiracy about anything. I don't thing there is one. BamBam hit the nail on the head though.
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
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Close to 18 million background checks for 2020 so far. If 70 or 80% of them purchase firearms they also bought ammunition for those firearms. I’ve been reading 60% +are First time gun buyers. This is just 2020, That is a boatload of ammo. Buddy mine owns a gun shop,a gentleman that frequents his establishment works for federal ammunition he dictates where and how much ammo is shipped to different clients, I asked him where all of the primers are and he said we make more money selling ammo not primers,Loaded ammunition has priority.He said we literally cannot keep up with demand. He also said they are not having issues, and this was four months ago In getting raw materials, knock on wood. So it’s a combination, at least I think of multiple factors people buying large quantities of ammunition and people buying large quantities of reloading supplies, first time gun buyers, lawn Enforcement contracts military contracts, remember they also take care of Foreign orders, he said Canada it’s self is mine boggling.I’m sure there are other factors but it all adds up to the current situation that were in. I don’t believe any ammunition manufacturers have warehouse full of ammo that they are holding back, that’s just my take on it. Any idea what the average number of background checks per year are? I wondered the same thing. This what I found. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/n8kd4wr.png) Interesting. While the numbers are higher, they don't look like terribly out of line with the normal year over year growth pattern. And some of that is just big spikes in March and June, which is obviously explainable. I guess I was expecting to see a sustained, exponential growth over the normal growth pattern, from March forward..
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Some can conjure up a conspiracy about anything. I don't thing there is one. BamBam hit the nail on the head though. I find numbers more convincing. I never see numbers. Did you see the NICS numbers I posted. They don't seem as "through the roof" as portrayed in media. They seem to be on a more steady increase. I see your point though ... we've never seen anyone conspire before.Nah, not here. LOL
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Interesting. While the numbers are higher, they don't look like terribly out of line with the normal year over year growth pattern. And some of that is just big spikes in March and June, which is obviously explainable.
I guess I was expecting to see a sustained, exponential growth over the normal growth pattern, from March forward..
Ya, that struck me odd as well.
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I can tell you guys for a fact, Hornady's about shut down due to the bologna virus. When coupled with demand, there you are...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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OldHat: Yes... it is real!
Just like the last few "shortages" we endured.
I hope YOU were prepared - I know I was.
Strange times we are living in!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy You were wise.
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I am not experiencing a shortage. same here just got another 1K pcs of clean 9 mm range brass ordered another 1K boolits to go with it...... I'll start loading it when the weather really turns schitdy..
T R U M P W O N !
U L T R A M A G A !
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I can tell you guys for a fact, Hornady's about shut down due to the bologna virus. When coupled with demand, there you are... Yes the Chinese virus is a big problem in supply chains, but it's not like they have a bunch of people using hand loaders. I mean these are automated processes, no? If anything can be manufactured through an automated assembly I would think ammo would be.
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Covid effect on supplies, shipping and manpower to make and transport....
The country is essentially running on three-quarters capacity at best....Throw in fall hunting demand combined with election uncertainty and you end up with a shortage....
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laissez les bons temps rouler
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OldHat: I do find myself scrambling for ammunition though - not for myself but for my VarmintChildren (one needs 9m/m and 223 others need rimfire!), and my various Big Game and Varmint Hunting friends!
This is a pain what ever the cause/reason. I don't think there is a "conspiracy" of any kind involved it is just worry about the political future of this nation!
I would NOT be surprised if this "shortage" last a full year.
I am waiting for the 9:00 bell to be first in line at my LGS - rumor is a shipment of ammo came in late yesterday afternoon?
Long live the Second Amendment.
Hold into the wind
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I can tell you guys for a fact, Hornady's about shut down due to the bologna virus. When coupled with demand, there you are... Yes the Chinese virus is a big problem in supply chains, but it's not like they have a bunch of people using hand loaders. I mean these are automated processes, no? If anything can be manufactured through an automated assembly I would think ammo would be. If you have a big supply problem....what are you going to make with your automated processes?
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laissez les bons temps rouler
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Lots of idiots out there that make this possible. Been fielding dozens of calls a day from morons who don't think...needing slugs or ammo less than a week to go from opening day. How stupid do you need to be, to wait 51 weeks with zero ammo and then panic and think during a pandemic with news of ammo shortages for months, that stores will have stacks ready for you?
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I don’t go “pew pew pew” in the backyard.
I’m in need of nothing
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Point is...contrived or not...idiots will keep the shortages going for a long time
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I can tell you guys for a fact, Hornady's about shut down due to the bologna virus. When coupled with demand, there you are... Yes the Chinese virus is a big problem in supply chains, but it's not like they have a bunch of people using hand loaders. I mean these are automated processes, no? If anything can be manufactured through an automated assembly I would think ammo would be. If you have a big supply problem....what are you going to make with your automated processes? Well ... obviously nothing, but why do one minute you hear they are running 24/7 and the next minute they are shut down. I'm just curious as to what "supplies" exactly are in short supply. How short. That's just the way I think. I like numbers. I always dig deeper than, "okay, thanks for the explanation".
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As far as NICS checks go, remember that one check can involve multiple guns. I've seen a lot of new owners buy both a handgun and a long gun for protection. Before I retired last week, the shop I worked at was at 8500 guns for the year. Our previous best was 6300.
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Lots of idiots out there that make this possible. Been fielding dozens of calls a day from morons who don't think...needing slugs or ammo less than a week to go from opening day. How stupid do you need to be, to wait 51 weeks with zero ammo and then panic and think during a pandemic with news of ammo shortages for months, that stores will have stacks ready for you? At least they aren't hoarding. LOL
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As far as NICS checks go, remember that one check can involve multiple guns. I've seen a lot of new owners buy both a handgun and a long gun for protection. Before I retired last week, the shop I worked at was at 8500 guns for the year. Our previous best was 6300. Good point.
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