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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
Yes they were all from the same box of bullets, so I have already decided they were a bad batch.
And before some post smart a** comments about things like the sheep he didn't recover, bother to read the antelope aspect. ain't making this s*** up. When I say I've followed wound channels in 50 years worth of big game you can bank it.
So there's that.
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I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats. Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ But he clearly witnessed it on the sheep he lost. Given the animal wasn't recovered he doesn't know for certain where it was hit.
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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits. How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure.
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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits. How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure. Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result. My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience.
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Were those all from the same box of bullets? Sounds like you got a bad batch.
That’s my thought as well
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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits. How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure. Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result. My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience. No way would the shank become that brittle. The trouble barnes had sourcing good copper was over a decade ago and even back then bullets were not disintegrating.
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To each his own. I think we can all agree we tend to keep using what has worked for us in the past until it doesn't. We then search for something else based on our experiences and data parameters. If you weren't there don't try in interject your experiences into a situation you have no knowledge of. We all have had strange things happen to equipment while hunting. Not to mention the game doing strange things. Just keep using what works for you until it doesn't. Good hunting and shooting.
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To each his own. I think we can all agree we tend to keep using what has worked for us in the past until it doesn't. We then search for something else based on our experiences and data parameters. If you weren't there don't try in interject your experiences into a situation you have no knowledge of. We all have had strange things happen to equipment while hunting. Not to mention the game doing strange things. Just keep using what works for you until it doesn't. Good hunting and shooting. You must not be a very good rifle looney. Most of us are constantly trying new cartridges, bullets, rifles, etc.
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There are TTSXs (or clones), then there are the rest...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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There are TTSXs (or clones), then there are the rest... Although I'm a Partition guy through and through, a new 308 just appeared in my life, and I think my son will be carrying that rifle armed with 150g TTSXs for elk next year.
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Very nice buck, congrats.
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I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion. Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/uGKLaGo.jpg)
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I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion. Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail. Whitley County?
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I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion. Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail. Whitley County? Yep - on the farm
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The #1 Rigby - sounds like that nice sporter they mfg. - nice rifle. I hit a buck like that in CO with a 150 PT, went to the very back of the ham. 2850 mv, about 275 yds...from a 270.
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I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats. Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ X3 on this^^^
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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits. How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure. Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result. My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience. No way would the shank become that brittle. The trouble barnes had sourcing good copper was over a decade ago and even back then bullets were not disintegrating. I have shot everything from coyotes to elephants with copper and brass monolithic bullets. While the may be criticized for under expansion at times...they DO NOT disintegrate.
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