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I acquired a 7mm mauser today but having issues loadings the pics, did any of the "commercial" mausers have a flattened (top and bottom) bolt knob?

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At first to say, not to my knowledge. Then 'light bulb'! Check out the below photo and tell me if any approximate what you're describing. First is a German Oberndorf Mauser "Stutzen" carbine c. 1913. Below a CZ Brno ZG47 Model, c. 1951. Bottom, Steyr Mannlicher Model 1903, 6.5x54, c. 1912These collectively of style is often termed "spoon" or Mannlicher pattern bolt handle.

Hope this helps. Otherwise, as "genuine & original Bubba creation?"

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Also called a "butter knife".


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The brno zg 47 pic above is actually a brno 21/22 (small ring), just a minor point.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/186...7gvu1xg&ref=nf_target&__tn__=C-R

Here is a link to the pics if that is acceptable here, one of the cleanest looking ones I have came across, can't really find much "buuba" going on.

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The Interarms Mark X commercial rifles were available with a butterknife bolt handle in the full stocked, 20" barrel version. I had one in 270, but sold it to a hunting buddy who wanted it for his wife. It was a beautiful rifle and killed one of my biggest Utah muleys. Currently, there's one available on Gunbroker. A beautiful rifle.

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I am into to this for the right price, i was kicking tires looking for a donor action and this one was on the rack, been there a while, so things worked and it came home, only thing I have in 7mm so i was just doing some background research before I sent it off for a rebarrel, very light gun gun, stock is well done, period
d correct scope of course LOL It's probably is a helluva of shooter had dies, rounds, the load work paperwork everything with it, but trying to standardize a little bit around here LOL

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Well, I'm totally confused, 'Cap'n'! smile Your facebook reference offered only a non-member, glimpse of a rifle with "Mauser 03" nomenclature. Am I to assume that's your model in question? If not, more confused. But to say, it 'appears if you'd posted that reference with your initial Post, would have saved me some time & effort in my above pix postings!
Don't know where matters stand, but if your rifle is indeed a Mauser 03 as depicted in the pix, I'll bow out as beyond Mauser Oberndorf classics, my knowledge is 'almost' nonexistent!

Re the ZG 47 designator, Pat, I'm standing "pat"! smile Below are the referenced late forties Models 21 denoting half stock, 22 denoting full stock, & ZB 47. fifties production, differing markedly from the Mods 21 & 22 action. The '47, essentially a double square bridge design with integral dovetail scope mounts! See 'd pix! smile

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Your link doesn't work, Cap'n.

Sounds like a nice rifle, please post some pictures before you cannibalize it. Could be rare and valuable...

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Well, I'm totally confused, 'Cap'n'! smile Your facebook reference offered only a non-member, glimpse of a rifle with "Mauser 03" nomenclature. Am I to assume that's your model in question? If not, more confused. But to say, it 'appears if you'd posted that reference with your initial Post, would have saved me some time & effort in my above pix postings!
Don't know where matters stand, but if your rifle is indeed a Mauser 03 as depicted in the pix, I'll bow out as beyond Mauser Oberndorf classics, my knowledge is 'almost' nonexistent!

Re the ZG 47 designator, Pat, I'm standing "pat"! smile Below are the referenced late forties Models 21 denoting half stock, 22 denoting full stock, & ZB 47. fifties production, differing markedly from the Mods 21 & 22 action. The '47, essentially a double square bridge design with integral dovetail scope mounts! See 'd pix! smile

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Your close up pic of the receiver for the "ZG47" is conspicuously missing. You are aware that, unlike the Model 21, the Zg47 is a Large Ring action? Additionally, also unlike the 21/22 series, every ZG47 I have seen is marked as such on the barrel.

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zg47 also has a dramatically different bolt handle, and safety vs a brno 21/22.

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Originally Posted by patbrennan
zg47 also has a dramatically different bolt handle, and safety vs a brno 21/22.


Yes, but John doesn't let facts get in the way.

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I think this link will work, i am finding the the action might be Karabiner 98 that had some real good smith work done to it with a trigger and bottom metal.

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Both of your links go to a Mauser club on Facebook which requires membership.

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Sorry I forgot that was a closed group.

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Here is the pics i think i have them downsized enough now.

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z1r: I am aware of a large vacuum of information concerning early postwar Brno rifle production, most of it centered on the ZG47. Some of it plainly contradictory and also as perpetuated by original sources simply wrong. I began my research as first having bought a beautiful Brno rifle and attempting to learn about it. This event decades ago in 'Jurassic' smile pre-Internet era. Perhaps worse, there is now a residual hodge-podge of information out there, only time fading toward irrelevant!

Here are the facts as I understand them as supplemented by my rifles. The ZG 47 rifle was designed by Otakar Galas in 1947. Indeed the model designation ZG47, reflected both the year referenced as well as the "G" honoring Galas. Due to external Soviet productivity mandates, manufacture of the Models 21 - half stock and 22 - full stock Brno rifles continued in progress until at least 1950. In that year, the ZG47 was finally introduced in small ring action format. That production, into 1951 and possibly bit later, was 'relatively' small & short-lived. From then, a hiatus period began as Brno was tasked by Soviet leadership with development and later production of military weapons. Only by sometime in mid nineteen fifties, a Brno sporting rifle was introduced. It of large ring pattern and otherwise differing design than 'of old'. Significantly, such yet utilizing the same ZG47 designation. From that fact, an endemic problem arising and considerable resulting confusion incurred. Viewing factually differing model rifles wearing same nomenclature!

The original pattern rifle, of which I have two, is said as noted, to have been low in relative numbers and "rare". I the decades since I purchased the first specimen only to have viewed three other specimens first hand. The second viewed, I made mine. Another 'not for sale'. Last, simply overpriced. I've also seen the later edition somewhat more often yet still suggesting likely never in huge numbers. It perhaps made into the sixties? I'm unsure, but that also not on point here.
Of my several Models 21 and 22, production dates as "47" & "48". I've noted an interesting evolution in my own specimens of those models, but too far afield for discussion here.

Brno was not alone in utilizing the same model designator for notably differing configuration rifles. Husqvarna yet takes the cake in "Model 640" designation, reflecting their rifles of both "96" pattern and "98" pattern models... Oh my! Also both such Husqvarnas and these rifles under consideration; European style of era, not reflecting model number within rifle nomenclature!

By bow, the fact of the little known/short lived "first series" of ZG47 rifles, strongly contributing to the perpetuation of confusion and attempts to link differing characteristics as one single configured rifle.
My "best factual evidence", reiterating 'in 'possession' as reflected in the previous pix above & contemporary pix below. Here "5 pix limit" reflecting most evidentiary-relevant details.
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Originally Posted by captjohn
Here is the pics i think i have them downsized enough now.


The action looks like a small ring German military Mauser. I have one with similar markings that was made at the Erfurt Arsenal in 1916.

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Originally Posted by z1r
Originally Posted by patbrennan
zg47 also has a dramatically different bolt handle, and safety vs a brno 21/22.


Yes, but John doesn't let facts get in the way.


My apologies to forum members for the following aside, admitting my sensitivity to unprovoked insults...
z1r, a second time now in about as many weeks, your above allegation cast. I then asked you for your own "facts" to support such allegation. Reiterating the same allegation is no reply. Even then my peacemaking comment offered: "Reasonable minds can differ."
I wonder what's going on here! Again to request, kindly offer up whatever your basis supporting such conclusions!!! If you're dissatisfied with my statements, make it a productive learning experience for me. Perhaps for other Forum members too.
Not to dwell here. But invitation, "prove up your assertions" cast! "Constructive criticism, offers remedial guidance! Just now, best inference your intent simply to belittle. If so, my belief 'end-game' simply to demean yourself.
Offered in frank critique and challenge. In any instance wishing you...
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